I never get into internet wars, I think they are stupid and nobody wins. My point was that if we ban together and try to help one another rather then look out for our own agnena's we'll be much stronger. I agree with you that I need to follow my own advice and go to the meeting, I will admit that I made a mistake there. This is a very touchy subject for me, we all have a lot at stake. What I was hoping to accomplish by my rant was not bash anyone, if you noticed I didn't mention anyone's name nore do I think it is one person that is the problem. The problem is that we need this to be about everyone, not just the "big" breeders. Maybe the more I think about it I should have kept my mouth shut, I was just hoping to help. Brian(BHB)