Thanks for that post, Alan, it really does help to get a better view of the sequence of events.

My response is from me, not as a Mod, nor a representative of staff, just my personal thoughts for what they are worth.

From what I've gotten from this thread this big female was a snake this vendor had just gotten in. They offered her to you as a freebie in this rather expensive package you bought. They seem to have fully disclosed to you that she hadn't been treated or fed or much of anything other than what her weight was.

After a week or so of ownership you put a male morph in with her and she had an explosive loose bowel movement. A few days later you introduced another male morph in with her and yet another loose bowel movement occurred. A fecal sample wasn't, as far as I've read here, taken from either of her bowel movements.

I guess my concerns for you Alan are that there was a rush to breed those expensive males to what amounted to an unknown female and for me, at my level of experience, that's a risk I wouldn't have taken. Personally I don't care what breeder tells me what - I'm not risking anything on the roll of the dice when it comes to quarantine. I'm so very sorry you lost this big female but I can't see where this vendor misled you on her. For me she would have been a "buyer beware" type snake at best.

As far as any other intestinal parasites in the other snakes in this collection - since there was direct exposure to feces from this female, I'm not sure how traceable anything is at this point. I'd have to depend on my own herp vet to give me some sort of reasonable timeline of development of the worms as far as whether it was from feces exposure from that female or a pre-existing condition from the vendor's collection.

I've never purchased from this vendor. Heck I wouldn't know them if I tripped over them in the street. I do know that anytime you buy, rescue or adopt a snake with basically no history, no health record, no idea of it's past husbandry - it's safer for you and for the snakes to overdo on quarantine and just take those extra months to make sure everyone's healthy.

Again, Allan, I'm not slamming you or the this seller or anything like that. I know what it's like to have a snake die so my heart goes out to you. I only posted my thoughts so perhaps in future you might consider going just that bit slower when it comes to purchasing and keeping these type of "mystery" snakes. For the seller, they might want to consider how fast they move out snakes and what sort of "buyer beware" statement goes along with that. Also what advice they are presenting to their customers about quarantine/breeding on these possibly more high risk animals. It does seem they've made a post in this thread that they will institute some new methods to address this particular issue and have offered to help with vet expenses.

I hope you and this seller can come to an agreement that suits both parties in what is naturally an emotionally charged situation.