Urgent! Please Help!

[littleindiangirl]

Hi,

Connie I'm a little confused?

If you told him to use half and half then it may have ingested a 50% solution - if a 3% solution can cause vomiting what makes you think the 50% is not the cause of the vomiting this time?


dr del

I'm sorry, half water half 3% peroxide is what I had said. NOT 50% solution peroxide. That's not even for sale in stores! 3% is usually what's for sale.

I was just giving him what my Vet had told me not 3 weeks ago for our girl. She had a dime size patch on her belly that he told me to wash with the peroxide solution.

I've seen the error in my advice not even a day after when Becky had said that peroxide wasn't even a good antiseptic.

[Furinax]

Oh wow...no. It was just standard peroxide. 50/50 as in half a cup of water, and half a cup of peroxide.

[dr del]

I'm sorry, half water half 3% peroxide is what I had said. NOT 50% solution peroxide. That's not even for sale in stores! 3% is usually what's for sale.

I was just giving him what my Vet had told me not 3 weeks ago for our girl. She had a dime size patch on her belly that he told me to wash with the peroxide solution.

I've seen the error in my advice not even a day after when Becky had said that peroxide wasn't even a good antiseptic.

Hi,

O.K I have no clue what concentrations peroxide is sold in so can't comment on the range available.

It might be handy to find out what concentration Furinax used in case it was stronger than 3%.

**edit**

Ok so it was over the counter - was it the 3%?

**end edit**


But you actually didn't eleborate on the strength of the mix in your post either.

Re: Scale Rot?

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It does look like scale rot. To treat scale rot, you can give them a wash of half peroxide and half water, warm daily. After the bath put a triple antibiotic on it with no pain reliever.
Put them on either paper towels or newspaper as a substrate.

I have heard many people say just the peroxide bath's will help, but please have a vet look at it regardless.
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If you only knew of one strength being available then that is understandable but, as I said this isn't my area.


dr del

[littleindiangirl]

Sorry, I had assumed that the only percentage available for sale was 3%.

[kc261]

I've seen 2 different peroxides available. I think one was 1/2 the strength of the other, but I know both were small percentages. So if Connie has one that is 3%, I'd assume what I have seen is either 3% and 6%, or 3% and 1.5%.

Just goes to show how you always need to ask questions and clarify, even when the advice is coming from a vet (or doctor). If the vet was assuming the stronger OTC version, and wanted that diluted by half, but Connie had the weaker one, maybe half of that wouldn't be strong enough to have the desired effect.

I'm glad to hear that the snakes seem to be doing better for now.

[kc261]

I got to thinking about it and thought I'd post the link to the other thread where peroxide was discussed. The fact that so many people, even doctors, still use and recommend peroxide, even though I'd heard about 10 years ago that it was no longer considered good for most of the uses it traditionally has been used for is sort of a pet peeve of mine, so I'm just trying to spread the word.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=59974

[Furinax]

::Robert Stack:: UPDATE! Theyre both doing great, both have already eaten today, and it looks as if theyre getting ready to shed. The scale rot is surprisingly gone. So all is in good order, thanks to everyones help and advice.

[frankykeno]

Glad to hear the snakes are doing well. Hopefully you've addressed the husbandry issues that brought this whole situation on in the first place.

I think it's important at this juncture to mention that whatever advice you are given, it's the responsibility of the owner to double or even triple check the information shared. It's no insult to anyone, or shouldn't be, for a smart owner to ask for validation of that advice, to research themselves on any issue and to ask for more opinions. One might, depending on advice given, even phone their vet to check that this is a safe procedure for that particular species.

[reptile3]

I was going to post this too... peroxide does induce vomiting... Had to help my neighbor get some medicine her dogs ate, outta their tummy's, the poison control told her to give them a teaspoon & it would induce vomiting. & it did.

If ingested, solutions of hydrogen peroxide up to concentrations of 9% are generally nontoxic; however, even a 3% solution is mildly irritating to mucosal tissue and may cause vomiting and diarrhea. Ingestion of industrial-strength solutions (≥10%) causes systemic toxicity and has been associated with fatalities.
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/h4070.htm
Large Oral doses can be irritating, and cause vomiting, but if it was a solution of half peroxide and half water, there is another cause for the vomiting.

With that weak of a solution you would have to ingest large amount of the solution. Something your snake would most likely not do.

If you handled your snake after eating, or there are internal parasites, that can be a reason for regurging. I doubt that the bath made them do this as it's barely toxic at all at those levels.

[Furinax]

We just added a bit too much water to the tank. The water spread the urine and anything else around, and Jiraiya being in constant contact with it caused scale rot. The issue with the husbandry was taken care of before I even made the first post. Since then, ive been using paper, and a spray bottle a couple times a day. Seems to be working fine, scale rot is gone, Jiraiya has a vet appointment. Mistakes are made to learn from, and thats something ive definitely learned from.