Pat, I disagree with that comment. I know several cases (im on alot of mom boards) where the parents are not attractive and they have BEAUTIFUL children.. .which is why i asked Cameron is not exactly a "clean" normal. Infact shes quite busy like he is.. darn it lol I do have intentions of getting a "spotless" spider (i like the look better) but i would hate to invest all this time and money on snakes that are not going to throw nice looking babies.