NEW Lucy Poll

[bait4snake]

Are all the answers to the poll based on actually seeing first hand, IN PERSON, each of the Leucistic lineages? To be honest, I have no idea which is best, or most brilliantly white, because I've never seen one. Pictures are deceiving, and it seems most ppl's opinion is based on someone else's opinion.

Can we get some good, honest pictures on here comparing and contrasting all the lines of BEL? Young pics, adult pics, anything?

I would love to know which is the best patternless bleach white line.

[BChambers]

Are all the answers to the poll based on actually seeing first hand, IN PERSON, each of the Leucistic lineages? To be honest, I have no idea which is best, or most brilliantly white, because I've never seen one. Pictures are deceiving, and it seems most ppl's opinion is based on someone else's opinion.

Can we get some good, honest pictures on here comparing and contrasting all the lines of BEL? Young pics, adult pics, anything?

I would love to know which is the best patternless bleach white line.

From the Barker book:

"The super Russo is a blue-eyed leucistic called the White Diamond, probably the whitest of the variety of ball pythons".

I've never personally seen a Russo "in the flesh"-though they look great in pics. I HAVE seen a couple of super Fires, and some lesser lucys. The least white FIRE was whiter than the whitest lesser. That's only my experience, but it jibes with what I have heard from other experienced breeders.

Brad Chambers

[bait4snake]

Bugger!!! This is what I mean... it's so hard to make a decision on what Het Leucistic to buy when everyone has a different opinion.

I guess I'll just have to buy the whitest Leucistic I can find and advertize it as "the best" since you can never tell with a Het.

This is bunk. *bangs head against the wall*

[Kara]

Again, where is the "all of the above" option? I cannot choose one over another...I love them all for their intrinsic differences, and they're all beautiful in their own right.

It's SUCH a great time to be working with ball python morphs!

[BChambers]

Again, where is the "all of the above" option? I cannot choose one over another...I love them all for their intrinsic differences, and they're all beautiful in their own right.

It's SUCH a great time to be working with ball python morphs!

I definitely agree. Most don't realize it, but I think that herpetoculturists 100 years from now will look back on this as a "Golden Age".

Brad Chambers

[Kara]

I definitely agree. Most don't realize it, but I think that herpetoculturists 100 years from now will look back on this as a "Golden Age".

Brad Chambers

Brad, you're absolutely correct. Not to take this too OT, but it's also scary to think that herpetoculturists 100 years from now will be extremely limited in terms of herps they're able to keep, as a result of anti-herp legislation & "animal rights" groups. If we don't all do our part now to speak up & protest against those wanting to severely regulate & limit what we can keep, there may not be a bright future for this hobby.

Imagine a world where we're not able to compare different types of ball python morphs, because nobody is allowed to keep them anymore...UGH!

Food for thought!

K~

[Larry Suttles]

Brad, you're absolutely correct. Not to take this too OT, but it's also scary to think that herpetoculturists 100 years from now will be extremely limited in terms of herps they're able to keep, as a result of anti-herp legislation & "animal rights" groups. If we don't all do our part now to speak up & protest against those wanting to severely regulate & limit what we can keep, there may not be a bright future for this hobby.

Imagine a world where we're not able to compare different types of ball python morphs, because nobody is allowed to keep them anymore...UGH!

Food for thought!

K~

Well said!

[hgrub]

question to anyone who own or have seen Super Lesser in person.

Do they "all" have buck eyes...like eyes kinda poping out? I know it's a fact that they do have 2 extra scales on the forehead(do ball python have forehead? ) But the eyes bulging out rumour's kinda interesting. The guy told me it's similar to Luecistic rat snake that got buck eyes.

[BChambers]

question to anyone who own or have seen Super Lesser in person.

Do they "all" have buck eyes...like eyes kinda poping out? I know it's a fact that they do have 2 extra scales on the forehead(do ball python have forehead? ) But the eyes bulging out rumour's kinda interesting. The guy told me it's similar to Luecistic rat snake that got buck eyes.

That's another issue-perhaps the reason that the blue eyed Lucys look kind of "goofy" (for want of a better word) to me is the slight bulge to the eyes many have. They don't seem to all have it, but I'd say the majority I've seen do. This and the pupil of the eye being slightly off-center seems a bugaboo common to all forms of blue-eyed leucistic snakes (like the aforementioned Texas rat snakes). This doesn't seem to happen with the black-eyes, whose head/eye proportions look entirely normal.

Some also seem to have a "duckbill" effect to the snout, which may be more an effect of inbreeding than the particular genetics of the morph. I say this because that look is also common to other highly inbred lines (like super Cinnamon, for example-take look at the illustration on pg. 167 of "The Complete Ball Python)... At any rate, it is something that can probably be ameliorated by outcrossing to different Platinum complex lines.

Brad Chambers

[tibor]

a pink nose..blue eyed white bp..