lets say..

[ADEE]

Connie, as I said in my post before, we didnt keep Caution and Savanna here because of my husband, not only were we both in love with our rats (which we still have two as pets, but to keep them we know to seperate pet from food, and know it can be done humanely) but he feared the children being in danger. We have had long conversations and discussions about how unrealistic that fear is, especially taking into consideration the danger the children are in when they are around my mother in laws basset hounds who have a history of biting themselves. So after much discussion, deliberation, and disapointment about the snakes moving to my sisters we have chosen to get a normal female and a morph female come April. Caution and Savanna stay in my sisters custody and shes fallin in love with them herself, so we were able to get a converter out of it too..

this scenario was strickly hypothetical.. lets say all three were lined up at a show for instance, you are within driving distance to Mark and know Jack through Mark, Jack is also in the neighborhood

Hope that answers your questions

[Morphie]

So i appreciate wanting to buy from someone established as it often makes sense in a lot of ways. The lack of sympathy i see towards the small time breeder is a bit disturbing, though. I mean, how would someone rise to expectations if they were never given the chance? How would one earn your business without having had the opportunity to do a whole lot of business before?

[PythonWallace]

I've had bad experiences buying from unknown or less than reputable people in this business. I now only buy from reputable breeders who have several positive posts on the BOI. I usually like to help the smaller guys (in any business), but with so many shady characters in this hobby, I can't let myself do that anymore. It's a real shame too. People like these just make it that much harder for the legitimate guy who's starting out and really cares about the animals and the hobby. I'm sure it will make it harder for me to sell any offspring I don't hold back. With so many reputable people in the reptile, and especially ball python, community, there's no reason to take chances.

[ADEE]

morphie, i think that comes in play when the general public (not someone wanting to breed for instance) wants the look of a snake but doesnt care about its liniage, or just down right doesnt know about the higher up breeders (Such as adam).. either that or they are people who have the mind set of never being able to afford snakes from adam (like i know i will never be able to afford a new bmw so i dont bother going to the dealerships) so they buy something cheaper because they like the look..

i know of a breeder near me who has a beautiful spider and would buy it if i had the money, hes one of those "Mark" kind of people.. not widly known but has hatched lots of snakes himself, hes local and i can count on him, he has always been a respectable person who stands up to his word.. that and hes local i can see the animal in person, handle it know its nice, exc.. but at the end of the day, its not an Adam spider... some people like to know they have something from "a higher name"

again, meaning no offense to you Adam (maybe i shouldve named someone different)

[Adam_Wysocki]

again, meaning no offense to you Adam (maybe i shouldve named someone different)

I just don't understand why you keep assuming that you can't afford one of my animals without even giving me the chance to earn your business?

When you're ready to buy a ball python morph, if you're interested in one of my animals, I'll match the best price that you can find ... just for you.

-adam

[Morphie]

okay so my opinion is - meet the seller. I can usually decide if i want to deal with a person simply by talking to him or her. Other factors come in to play, such as appearance, gender, cost of shipping, convenience of retrieval. Hypothetically, these factors are irrelevant to the scenario, but in real life they simply aren't going to be.

I'm not saying Adam and a small time guy are functionally the same. There are pros and cons to every arrangement, and it's by balancing those pros and cons that you decide who is going to get your purchase. People go for the familiar names because they're trustworthy. I try not to forget that someone less obvious might be just as worthy of my business. It all depends on how i feel after i've examined all the facts. I would like to sell my snakes someday, and i'm obviously not going to go from my bedroom operation to Adam's facility overnight. I will need some customers and opportunity to be able to make that transition, which means i will need some faith. As i require faith, i must also remember to occasionally give it when everything else checks out normally.

[littleindiangirl]

I think that is what's so great about expos and conferences. You can meet the breeders and sellers, get to know them. I think the internet is a great tool to expand your business, but I love to see my animals in person. And to talk to the breeder right there is such a huge plus.

[ADEE]

Thank you everyone for your input, its been enlightening to hear everyones point of view

I have gone ahead and contacted Adam, perhaps I can have one of Adams animals some day

[jkobylka]

I just don't understand why you keep assuming that you can't afford one of my animals without even giving me the chance to earn your business?

When you're ready to buy a ball python morph, if you're interested in one of my animals, I'll match the best price that you can find ... just for you.

-adam

Adam could you do the same for me? I found some guy on a pet auction... he says he's from Africa.. says he can get me a animal really cheap!!!

j/k of course.




In all seriousness, don't rule out the little guys... or the slightly bigger guys, like me... Especially if you can see the animals in person, give them a chance. There are people looking to rip you off, but there also a lot of really qualified ppl out there who don't produce a lot of clutches and will definitely treat right.

And don't be afraid to actually call the bigger guys, like Adam or the really big guys like BHB. Just because the price says one thing doesn't mean that you can't get the animal you want for a good deal.

Justin

[SatanicIntention]

And Ashley.. If you're worried about feeding rats..

Feed mice They don't outgrow the snakes in a week's time(or ever).

I, as well as a few others, feed exclusively mice. The snakes thrive and have absolutely no problems.

I guess I need to update myself on the Florida Ratlist.. I didn't know you had given away your furkids/nekkids. Hope everything is ok.

That's another reason why I feed mice only. I am not about to bring unquarantined rats into my house since the snakes and pet rats are in the same room.