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    Re: Need a little help with the ID of my latest clutch!

    Quote Originally Posted by nikkubus View Post
    1. Decent chance of YB or other morph that causes belly tracks. Decent flaming. Pretty large amount of dark black with a tiny bit of blushing. Clear side pattern. Not only is there no smudge of the eye stripe, but no classic Cinnamon rusty blushing in the neck. Possible Enchi YB.

    2. Strong tracks. Very shrunken side pattern, lots of black, fracturing in side pattern. Not nearly as cleaned up as 1. No smudge, normal eye stripe, no Cinnamon rusty neck blushing. Possible Black Pastel YB.

    3. Normal belly. Clean side pattern. Pretty normal amount of side pattern vs black. Looks like just Enchi.

    4. Decent tracks. Reduced/fractured eyes in side pattern but not clean, parts look similar to Black Pastel. Side pattern seems dark, is this accurate or lighting? Some flaming but not a lot. Very little dorsal pattern. Eye striping looks normal. Possible Black Pastel.

    5. Decent tracks. Heavy blushing throughout almost like Super Pastel but not quite. Reduced brown from Pastel influence. Keyholing in side pattern. Reduced dorsal pattern. Eye stripe looks normal. Interesting fracturing of lower side pattern could mean something, similar to what shows up in Kinova projects like Pompei, which makes me really wonder about the darkening gene being Black Pastel, but if it is, same rules go as for Cinnamon, can't be Black Pastel Enchi from this clutch and every OS must have one or the other. Possibly very high quality Pastel YB, but I'm thinking Black Pastel Pastel.

    Some input from others might help but that's what I'm thinking at this point after getting better look at the pattern. I feel like YB and Black Pastel both cause some tracking, but the two together are causing the strongest ones in 2.

    Edit: Great job on pictures by the way! It's tough alone, but you did a great job showing the different parts so we can see what's going on better.
    I'd say those guesses are pretty consistent with what I'm thinking at the moment. The entire clutch seems to be a mixed bag of enchi, pastel, yellow belly (or some other brightening, track making gene) and black pastel (or some other darkening gene). So, would black pastel be the main subject for the darkening gene, then? I never completely understood the difference between it and cinnamon, to be honest. Although form what I've seen, black pastel seems to be a higher contrast darkener, with deeper blacks and brighter golds, as opposed to the rusty brown color cinnamon seems to give the entire body of the snake. If that's the case, then that's definitely consistent with what I'm seeing in this clutch.

    I'm intrigued by the possible presence of yellow belly, especially since I just got a yellow belly female from the same dealer I got the parents of this clutch, and she looks kinda similar to the two darker offspring. I was a bit annoyed at that at first, as I thought it was a bad investment to get a snake only to find out I already had that gene and didn't know it. But now I'm thinking I can raise her up and breed her to one of the animals in this clutch suspected of having yellow belly, and if an ivory pops out, then bam! I can confirm it being there. I could do a similar thing with the darkening gene, breeding them amongst themselves to see if I get any 8 ball looking animals, and then I'd at least know it's either cinnamon or black pastel. I'm a bit reluctant to do that because of the supposed birth deffects associated with the super forms on the cinny complex, though.

    Now I'm having a really hard time picking a holdback. At first I thought I'd keep only number 5, but now I'm thinking number 2 might have to stay as well. I'd keep them all if it was up to me, but my parents probably wouldn't be happy about that lol. I'll try to sell the ones I don't keep to friends, that way they'll be more understanding on not getting an exact diagnosis on the genetics, plus I'll get to keep an eye on them and see what they end up looking like.

    Again, thank you a lot for the help. It's been invaluable.

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