Brian Barczyk's Open Forum on Snake Rack Systems

[Ronniex2]

Ok, well while I have adopted the love for this hobby fromwatching his earlier videos, I too follow him and wish I could go, and thiswould be a great chance for the casual blogger or IG troll or anyone, to justbecome a potential member of our hobby.
All that being said Iwill be watching and would like to see, regardless of price or time, thecleaning portion and how that will affect the cycle of cleaning or ...as for adding“inserts” that will eventually get pooped or pee’d on, with a small collection Ican see this being slightly practical, but with that in a larger collection howlikely is it that saturated items will be replaced or how often? Like I havefake leaves in my rack, I think it is more for me than for them, but it doeslook nice when you open it up and see they moved around a lil and pooped onsomething other than the substrate.
So I guess my question would be how much would be too much? Orlike Brian said how many time in the wild will you see a snake in a nadditional “hide” when they are under a hollowed tree trunk or rock… and I seein a lot of peoples racks online and all over, there are no hides in theirtubes. How important is having 2 hides if some breeders or collectors do notgive their animals any hides? So would the rack system eliminate the need forit? I mean I have 1 hide in my 3 snake’s tubes with some fake leaves around. Theyare all well and well-mannered and now that my females are back on food (thankyou baby Jesus) ... I mean I have a loco in my Hollow but he’s always been weirdbut NEVER misses a meal... like I just hope that these new “regulations” oradvice as the new standards address these subjects.

[Danger noodles]

My personal feelings about Brian don't even figure into my opinion, I simply think the discussion is a moot point. Breeders use racks and they work very well. Are they humane? Well, balls do well in them...and since we can't really gauge the mental health of an animal that is already doing well then I'd imagine that most people are going to keep on using them. I do know that ball pythons males are far more active in my experience and will often use every inch of a larger cage, and females are often stay close to the hide box.

Point is, this meeting isn't gonna change anything, breeders are gonna go with what works for them, and hobbiests are gonna listen to the experienced keepers... or the loudest mouthpiece... whichever they encounter first.

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I agree with u, with breeders this big discussion won’t change anything. it feels like the heat is coming from his viewers that don’t own a snake thinking that it’s bad to have a snake in a rack. I’ve seen many vids of people that hate racks that say they don’t own a snake and never had. So this is a hot topic that is selling to an audience. The real pros just keep on doing what they do best.

taylor I’m sorry I know it’s not what u want and I won’t derail anymore. If u want me to delete this I will.

[tttaylorrr]

Point is, this meeting isn't gonna change anything, breeders are gonna go with what works for them, and hobbiests are gonna listen to the experienced keepers... or the loudest mouthpiece... whichever they encounter first.

I agree with u, with breeders this big discussion won’t change anything. it feels like the heat is coming from his viewers that don’t own a snake thinking that it’s bad to have a snake in a rack. I’ve seen many vids of people that hate racks that say they don’t own a snake and never had. So this is a hot topic that is selling to an audience. The real pros just keep on doing what they do best.

taylor I’m sorry I know it’s not what u want and I won’t derail anymore. If u want me to delete this I will.

@Danger nah ur good lol.

but i dont think this is about changing anything; it's starting a dialogue and hearing what these influencers have to say on the matter.

and just because nothing might change, that means we should never even try? that's not a good attitude to have about anything IMO.

ill reiterate what i said above: i absolutely love rack systems and mine will be going nowhere. i still look forward to hearing what these people have to say on the matter because, whether you like it or not, these people are the face of our hobby and have a direct impact on our hobby. their opinions and ways of doing things absolutely matter and affect others.

that's why i want to go and represent: i know this forum has strong feelings about husbandry that are almost always correct, and i want to be the voice that says "we as a forum believe X, Y, Z and can prove it for decades."

like im on your guys' side here lol. racks r great!!!

[Danger noodles]

@Danger nah ur good lol.

but i dont think this is about changing anything; it's starting a dialogue and hearing what these influencers have to say on the matter.

and just because nothing might change, that means we should never even try? that's not a good attitude to have about anything IMO.

ill reiterate what i said above: i absolutely love rack systems and mine will be going nowhere. i still look forward to hearing what these people have to say on the matter because, whether you like it or not, these people are the face of our hobby and have a direct impact on our hobby. their opinions and ways of doing things absolutely matter and affect others.

that's why i want to go and represent: i know this forum has strong feelings about husbandry that are almost always correct, and i want to be the voice that says "we as a forum believe X, Y, Z and can prove it for decades."

like im on your guys' side here lol. racks r great!!!

No im glad ur going so u can represent the hobbie side! And I’m excited to see what is discussed. I’d love to be there just to listen!

[sur3fir3]

You are correct when then opinion has facts to back it up. If it doesn't then odds are it is wrong. As far as enrichment for balls, some like multiple places to hide, they like food, they really like to mate. Best cure for a super active boy is to put him in with a girl for a day or two.

I'm sorry but anyone can come up with facts to support both sides of just about any argument. Just cause u believe your opinion to be correct doesn't mean that it is. Doesn't mean its wrong either though.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Alright we are starting to walk a very fine line yet again so I will make it clear stay on topic leave the drama and personal feeling about Brian Barczyk aside, I have said it many time before there is no place for drama here regardless of the breeder involved.

This is an official warning anything posted after this that disregards my post and the thread will be locked.

[Danger noodles]

Back on topic. Is this just to do with balls in racks or other species? Because I do have some questions about other snakes like gtp and other Aborial snakes in racks. Like not tubs but small racks with nothing but a stick across it?? And is that ok to keep till u sell or is that how the keep the holdbacks and breeders? As a person that doesn’t keep these I have no clue but I do have feelings about it that might be completely wrong. So I’d love to know about that

[Ax01]

please please ask Brian is he wants to play fantasy football.

[tttaylorrr]

Since this is racks vs tanks I was wondering how they feel about enrichment items (in tubs), and what should be used for Bloods, Balls, Boas, and Retics. I had someone argue with me about enrichment items for snakes, and I was wondering what those items could be for these different species. I had someone who doesn't keep snakes asked me about this, and I didn't really have an answer.

this is an excellent question!!! personally, i feel enrichment items (fake leaves, wood, etc) are more "important" than a huge enclosure for ball pythons.

on the flip side: a colubrid absolutely needs a larger enclosure as they like to rooooaaammm. do you think they need enrichment too?

So I guess my question would be how much would be too much? Orlike Brian said how many time in the wild will you see a snake in a nadditional “hide” when they are under a hollowed tree trunk or rock… and I seein a lot of peoples racks online and all over, there are no hides in theirtubes. How important is having 2 hides if some breeders or collectors do notgive their animals any hides? So would the rack system eliminate the need forit? I mean I have 1 hide in my 3 snake’s tubes with some fake leaves around. Theyare all well and well-mannered and now that my females are back on food (thankyou baby Jesus) ... I mean I have a loco in my Hollow but he’s always been weirdbut NEVER misses a meal... like I just hope that these new “regulations” oradvice as the new standards address these subjects.

another good question. something that kinda sucks about the hobby is that we almost have to police ourselves lest our governments try to do it for us (and do they try...). so where do we draw the line regarding enrichment and enclosure height/size? how would something like that apply to baby beeps or an established adult set in their ways?

thanks for your post!

[tttaylorrr]

Back on topic. Is this just to do with balls in racks or other species? Because I do have some questions about other snakes like gtp and other Aborial snakes in racks. Like not tubs but small racks with nothing but a stick across it?? And is that ok to keep till u sell or is that how the keep the holdbacks and breeders? As a person that doesn’t keep these I have no clue but I do have feelings about it that might be completely wrong. So I’d love to know about that

he is applying this to everything he keeps in a rack system, from colubrids to pythons to geckos.