PETA Calls For An Investigation

[reptilemom25]

The PETA article started this conversation, but I EXPECT better of members here...of people who understand & like snakes...c'mon folks, we have to lead &
educate! If not us...who???



While I can't say I've experienced being chased by a cottonmouth, I've heard that from so many that I'll rate that as a "maybe so"?
Either way, they come off as "cranky", but this discussion was about coral snakes, & I did say "few" snakes come off as aggressive.
The thing is, when people are terrified of snakes, it doesn't take much to convince them they are being "chased". I'd love some
actual statistics of how many were actually "caught" by those snakes, lol. Remember, you aren't glued to the ground...just walk away!

Do you have any idea how fast a cottomouth can move? You don't "walk" away, thats for sure. I am not and have never been afraid of snakes. I am the first one advocating for leaving the rat snake alone to catch rats. I do have a healthy respect for venomous ones, however, and when a venomous snake is a threat to people something needs to be done. I know you would say they are never a treat to people, but I would beg to differ. Humans and venomous snakes occupying the same immediate area is a recipe for disaster.

[Bogertophis]

Do you have any idea how fast a cottomouth can move? ..... I know you would say they are never a treat to people, but I would
beg to differ. Humans and venomous snakes occupying the same immediate area is a recipe for disaster.

Yes, I do, & I think you mean "threat"? Then stay out of their area...didn't you ever learn to share? A planet covered with nothing but humans is not a pretty sight,
nor is it viable. We need a balance of nature & the whole web of living creatures of all shapes & sizes, trust me. It's the mass production of humans that is making a
mess of things...wildlife pretty much keeps itself in balance when humans don't muck it up & try to claim the entire territory as their own back yard. The native
Americans figured that out, but look what "we" did to them...

When humans kill off certain species, it upsets the balance & then other things proliferate in a negative way. If you fancy living in a perfectly paved over 'safe' world,
there are plenty of cities to choose from. But I think you'll soon find that some % of humans pose far more danger than a few venomous snakes...

[reptilemom25]

Yes, I do, & I think you mean "threat"? Then stay out of their area...didn't you ever learn to share? A planet covered with nothing but humans is not a pretty sight,
nor is it viable. We need a balance of nature & the whole web of living creatures of all shapes & sizes, trust me. It's the mass production of humans that is making a
mess of things...wildlife pretty much keeps itself in balance when humans don't muck it up & try to claim the entire territory as their own back yard. The native
Americans figured that out, but look what "we" did to them...

When humans kill off certain species, it upsets the balance & then other things proliferate in a negative way. If you fancy living in a perfectly paved over 'safe' world,
there are plenty of cities to choose from. But I think you'll soon find that some % of humans pose far more danger than a few venomous snakes...

You do realize correcting other's typos and grammar is a little petty?
So when a a rattlesnake chooses to nest in my yard(happened to us), I should just move, or not worry about whether my young children will get bitten? That is ridiculous.

[Toad37]

What's petty is you keep going on and on about a repressed childhood memory of an imaginary snake chasing you. We get it. Let's move on with our lives.

[reptilemom25]

What's petty is you keep going on and on about a repressed childhood memory of an imaginary snake chasing you. We get it. Let's move on with our lives.

Not a repressed memory, I remember it just fine, always have. Nothing "imaginary" about it. Real snakes on both occasions i was chased and real snakes breeding in our front yard. One incident I was a young teen and the other a young adult so not really "childhood"' either.

I realize it makes you guys feel better to believe it didn't happen and that conflicts between humans and reptiles don't happen unless humans provoke or mistreat them, but that just isn't the case. Yes, leaving the area is the asnwer most of the time, but not always. Sometimes that simply isn't possible. We had a 4 year old at home when there was a den of rattlesnakes about 30 ft from our door. That was simply NOT a safe situation. I have had many encounters with reptiles over the course of my life, and I have only ever had to kill the one who wouldn't stop coming back to the den in the yard. It just wasn't safe for the children. Sorry, but I am not willing to risk the life of a child for a one stubborn snake. I am just saying that I can see how it might have been necessary in this situation, and it often is in others. I would be happy to move on if you guys could quit accusing me of lying.

[Cheesenugget]

Not a repressed memory, I remember it just fine, always have. Nothing "imaginary" about it. Real snakes on both occasions i was chased and real snakes breeding in our front yard. One incident I was a young teen and the other a young adult so not really "childhood"' either.

I realize it makes you guys feel better to believe it didn't happen and that conflicts between humans and reptiles don't happen unless humans provoke or mistreat them, but that just isn't the case. Yes, leaving the area is the asnwer most of the time, but not always. Sometimes that simply isn't possible. We had a 4 year old at home when there was a den of rattlesnakes about 30 ft from our door. That was simply NOT a safe situation. I have had many encounters with reptiles over the course of my life, and I have only ever had to kill the one who wouldn't stop coming back to the den in the yard. It just wasn't safe for the children. Sorry, but I am not willing to risk the life of a child for a one stubborn snake. I am just saying that I can see how it might have been necessary in this situation, and it often is in others. I would be happy to move on if you guys could quit accusing me of lying.

I don't think you are lying. I think that there are always exceptions to the rule, abnormality, deviancy... Whatever you want to call it. It does happen and just because it is rare does not mean it did not happen.

However, it is just that: a rare occurrence. If it happened with almost every coral snake, or cotton mouth, in every encounter, then you definitely have across something extraordinary. Generalizing how something as a whole must behave based on 1 or 2 or even 3 encounters...

[reptilemom25]

I don't think you are lying. I think that there are always exceptions to the rule, abnormality, deviancy... Whatever you want to call it. It does happen and just because it is rare does not mean it did not happen.

However, it is just that: a rare occurrence. If it happened with almost every coral snake, or cotton mouth, in every encounter, then you definitely have across something extraordinary. Generalizing how something as a whole must behave based on 1 or 2 or even 3 encounters...

Thank you at least someone blaze I’m not making it up
I’m not generalizing I’m simply pointing out that it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that the snake would’ve caused problems. It’s also not be on the realm of possibility that an inexperienced person might have Decided that it poses a threat when it really did not. I can see how someone without experience with snakes would make the decision that to keep their people safe it be eded to be killed. I can also see how it could possibly pose a real problem and need to be dealt with.


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