Question on Morphs

[Jbabycsx]

As I’m in the browse section on MM just looking at the different morphs and seeing what they look like, I’ve come across several that look to me as if they aren’t a separate morph at all. They look more like a variation of something else.

My question is this...How many morphs do you all think are out there that are actually just another variation of a morph that already exists?


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[Lord Sorril]

I appreciate the effort it takes to Line Breed genes so that a specimen looks very different than the original base morph. It is becoming the trend that Line Bred specimens are getting their own morph name...I disagree with this.

I do enjoy teasing breeders for it though: At one expo I was holding a: Fire Enchi Butter Clown, performed a quick health check, examined the price ($4K), opened my wallet to reveal my cash, then stopped and turned to the breeder and said (straight-faced/deadpan): 'Y'know the price is right...but...what I really wanted is a Fire Enchi LESSER Clown...' His reaction was priceless (if not soon after inappropriate for children within earshot).

[Jbabycsx]

I haven’t given any thought to line bred animals that get their own names. I guess if you put the years of work into the project and you continue to produce them, naming them as a brand and not a morph would be ok with me.

What I’m talking about is more along the lines of genetics. Take Banana and coral glow for example. To me they are the same thing, yet they are sold as two different morphs by people. Same with normals and some of the obscure morphs. You can’t look at them and tell the difference in most cases. It just seems to me like certain people have tried to capitalize on the fact that every now and then certain snakes produce certain patterns. Does that make it a new morph? I might be way off base. Just bored at work


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[Godzilla78]

Interesting topic.
I know a high end breeder that produced/discovered a new morph. The morph proved to be codominant with a super form. This breeder bred the best superforms together for several years, and now claims that this new line-breed of the super morphs is a "new Morph".
The breeder and morph will remain unnamed, but I find it difficult to accept this conclusion without harder evidence. Does this line-breeder of a super-form codominant gene morphs actually result in a new genetic mutation, and an entirely new morph? Basically, this breeder is claiming that the superform breedings resulted in a new codominant mutation, so that the new breed now has a super form of its own!!!? A super form of a super form so to speak. I came really close to investing in his project, but due to skepticism and limited budget on my part, I have so far held back. Part of me believes that the "new morph" is just nice examples of the super form of the base morph, but with a 'new name' to increase the pricetag...

[Ax01]

I appreciate the effort it takes to Line Breed genes so that a specimen looks very different than the original base morph. It is becoming the trend that Line Bred specimens are getting their own morph name...I disagree with this.

I do enjoy teasing breeders for it though: At one expo I was holding a: Fire Enchi Butter Clown, performed a quick health check, examined the price ($4K), opened my wallet to reveal my cash, then stopped and turned to the breeder and said (straight-faced/deadpan): 'Y'know the price is right...but...what I really wanted is a Fire Enchi LESSER Clown...' His reaction was priceless (if not soon after inappropriate for children within earshot).

so alpha!

I haven’t given any thought to line bred animals that get their own names. I guess if you put the years of work into the project and you continue to produce them, naming them as a brand and not a morph would be ok with me.

i agree w/ this. line breeding co-dom/dom morphs is fine, but don't change the base name that someone else proved out/claimed. just attached your own name to it as a designer label/line. for example, there's run of the mill no-name every day Pastels and there are designer Pastel lines. as for pricing, price what u believe your snakes are worth and the market will determine if its fair.

What I’m talking about is more along the lines of genetics. Take Banana and coral glow for example. To me they are the same thing, yet they are sold as two different morphs by people. Same with normals and some of the obscure morphs. You can’t look at them and tell the difference in most cases. It just seems to me like certain people have tried to capitalize on the fact that every now and then certain snakes produce certain patterns. Does that make it a new morph? I might be way off base. Just bored at work

Banana and CG are the same. they are different lines that started w/ 2 different specimens from separate breeders. they are interchangeable for breeding purposes for breeding the same Supers or morphs. but to most pet owners, they probably don't care of line names; this will matter to breeders and hobbyists who like to track lineage. the same can be said of Butter/Lesser and a few other morphs. then there's morphs that are very, very similar like Black Pastel and Cinny which are not the same but allelic and produce similar morphs, Supers and ASL when bred together.

the other thing is some morphs look very similar or even Normal looking. like Sable, Sentinal, Mahogany, etc. etc. they don't look any much different to most peeps or first glance. they won't look different until u add other genes and see their genetic potential.

[Ax01]

Interesting topic.
I know a high end breeder that produced/discovered a new morph. The morph proved to be codominant with a super form. This breeder bred the best superforms together for several years, and now claims that this new line-breed of the super morphs is a "new Morph".
The breeder and morph will remain unnamed, but I find it difficult to accept this conclusion without harder evidence. Does this line-breeder of a super-form codominant gene morphs actually result in a new genetic mutation, and an entirely new morph? Basically, this breeder is claiming that the superform breedings resulted in a new codominant mutation, so that the new breed now has a super form of its own!!!? A super form of a super form so to speak. I came really close to investing in his project, but due to skepticism and limited budget on my part, I have so far held back. Part of me believes that the "new morph" is just nice examples of the super form of the base morph, but with a 'new name' to increase the pricetag...

that just sounds like bunk. lol it's a marketing scheme IMO.

[Godzilla78]

that just sounds like bunk. lol it's a marketing scheme IMO.

I agree, I have yet to call him out on it though. Still need more info before I go that far.