Probe Placement spin-off

[zina10]

And do me a huge favor : you do not know me, so don't assume you think I am not "open to that anyways." The truth is, I read a lot of threads and responds to very few, probably 2 out of 10 the most, and that is if I felt something that worked for me might help or I refer that person to another poster's advice. I never once claimed I knew more. I had asked for help and opened to ALL suggestions to my questions. So I don't know how your remark about who you think I am is not the least condescending but okay. Moreover, there were some comments posted in response to others who did things differently by comparing the number of snakes one have, I guess that makes one's opinion completely invalid if you have less snakes? All newbies and old should be doing their own research. Opinions are exactly that, opinions. While the forums are great source of info, one should never rely strictly on only one source of information.

I looked at both sides of the argument and made my choice. If someone who have a pet snake that was burned by having a thermostat probe inside the tank (on the glass or tub), please elaborate because I am completely open to learning about that. Or any independent studies done on that would be even better. And I mean where there is the direct cause/effect of how a snake pee on a probe can cause fluctuations in temps so high that it burned the snake. So far I have read responses from keepers who is doing things a certain way because "it happened to someone else" plus graphic pics.

Well, I was replying to Squirmypug, but as I have mentioned, it wasn't to change your or his (her) mind, but instead to point out that people new to the hobby are best steered towards the true and tried methods when it comes to safety.

When I said "not open to that anyway" it was referring to the fact that it was clear the mind was already made up, after several replies regarding the issue. Meaning, I won't bother trying to change a mind that is closed to the issue at hand. Wasn't meant condescending in any shape or form.

If you want examples by snakes burned by a heat source wide open, there are tons of examples online. If the snake moves the probe, the heat source is wide open. If it gets damaged by liquids seeping in over time, same thing. Its as simple as that.

Yes, opinions are opinions, and everyone has one. And no one should rely on only one. What if someone swore their heat rock is just fine and it worked for months and therefor no reason not to use them? That is an opinion and there are those that have that one. You will not find an experienced keeper that will not contradict that opinion.

Some things just get established over time, during trial and error. If you want to do it your way, then so be it. If people want to point out (to whom ever may be reading and trying to make up their mind) that there are safer ways, then so be it.

English is my second language, and perhaps what I type out comes across differently then it was meant at times.

I certainly meant no offense.

And as I said, we can agree to disagree

[zina10]

It may be a mistake to wade into this, but I always thought the reason the Tstat probe shouldn't be placed inside the enclosure was because the snake may inadvertently move the probe off the UTH. Since the UTH only heats the surface above it and does nothing for ambient, if the probe were moved to the cool side, that could and would cause a dangerous spike in temps.

Exactly !

[SquirmyPug]

When I said "not open to that anyway" it was referring to the fact that it was clear the mind was already made up, after several replies regarding the issue. Meaning, I won't bother trying to change a mind that is closed to the issue at hand. Wasn't meant condescending in any shape or form.

I don't know why you think my mind isn't open to it. I never said anything like that. As I've said, it can be done safely and I don't think telling people there's only one correct way is the right thing to do.

[Skyrivers]

I was not going to get into this one but after reading everything said so far here it goes.

I think that if something like this will split you apart, then bigger things like children and money will be way more devastating for sure. Not to make small of the care of an animal but there are much more major issues within your relationship.

Would I brake up with someone who was not properly caring for their animal? Abusing an animal? It all depends on If it is abusive or just preference of method of care. People disagree on how to care for animals. Is his way optimal? No. Are you right about him being able to improve care? Yes. Is it abuse?...….

Educate, think, plan, and then act. Never react!

Best wishes.

[Bogertophis]

...English is my second language...

I would never have guessed that in a million years!

[zina10]

I would never have guessed that in a million years!

Yup, I'm German

When I get tired or stressed I seem to loose my English sometimes, LOL. So don't pay attention to spelling or grammar, please..

[CALM Pythons]

I don't know why you have a problem with me. All I'm saying is that having a probe inside isn't as dangerous as some people make it seem.

Im one of those people that say its dangerous under substrate and you are wrong period.
You can hang a probe when under a RHP. But you put a probe under my boy thats 15’ and when he pisses a gallon of liquid with the best Thermostats on the market or not, within 5 min that piss is cooler than 91, submerges the probe and my Herpstat is running 100% and my RHP is running 170 degrees wide open.
Do what you want but don’t go against a thread on the safety of probe placement when new people read for good advice because you haven’t had a safety issue yourself.
I may not go down on my Bike very often, but i wear a helmet everyday because when you ride sooner or later you go down.


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[SquirmyPug]

Im one of those people that say its dangerous under substrate and you are wrong period.
You can hang a probe when under a RHP. But you put a probe under my boy thats 15’ and when he pisses a gallon of liquid with the best Thermostats on the market or not, within 5 min that piss is cooler than 91, submerges the probe and my Herpstat is running 100% and my RHP is running 170 degrees wide open.
Do what you want but don’t go against a thread on the safety of probe placement when new people read for good advice because you haven’t had a safety issue yourself.
I may not go down on my Bike very often, but i wear a helmet everyday because when you ride sooner or later you go down.


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Sorry but last I checked this thread was about a ball python, not your boy that's 15'. Not only that but about an UTH not RHP. I would never suggest putting a probe for a RHP under substrate but thanks for reading the thread and paying attention to what's being talked about before saying I'm just wrong. As I've said if done correctly it's safe.

[jmcrook]

Sorry but last I checked this thread was about a ball python, not your boy that's 15'. Not only that but about an UTH not RHP. I would never suggest putting a probe for a RHP under substrate but thanks for reading the thread and paying attention to what's being talked about before saying I'm just wrong. As I've said if done correctly it's safe.

Cool it, fisticuffs. For UTH the probe should absolutely be outside the enclosure between the heating element and the bottom of said enclosure, regardless of what species husbandry is in question. Am I gonna have to dig up PitOnTheProwl’s crayon illustration to settle this matter?!?


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[CALM Pythons]

Sorry but last I checked this thread was about a ball python, not your boy that's 15'. Not only that but about an UTH not RHP. I would never suggest putting a probe for a RHP under substrate but thanks for reading the thread and paying attention to what's being talked about before saying I'm just wrong. As I've said if done correctly it's safe.

Same difference. RHP or HEAT TAPE the probe placement counts.. species doesn’t matter, its the point of how it can be effected. But go ahead and be a wise guy. Ive been doing this for 30 years and seen it all and your wrong. But thats ok too.. just unfortunate if anything was to happen to a animal/reptile.

Gotta love it. Newbie questions 3 weeks ago now telling others whats safe...


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