I was speaking hypothetically since you were making the argument that not matching the animal's native environment in the best way possible was due to the limitations of assigned human needs. You used human comfort several times as a comparison for a snake's needs in your discussion with El-Ziggy and yes, using prisoners exercises to illustrate handling still counts as a comparison otherwise why use that analogy? You often, including previous posts, used the terms "bioactive" and "best care' together hence the given impression that bioative was the standard for "best possible care". It seemed relative to the conversation since your primary argument here has been priority in mimicking the wild. However I see you were taking everything literally and personally so I apologize.


So no, I was not accusing you of anything as I made an effort to use the terms "You give the impression", "you could" "implying" "comes across as." to avoid accusation. No need to get defensive and talk down by suggesting I'm somehow subconsciously inferior by projecting myself onto you. I was open to having a discussion with you but if this is how you want the last word then it's best to put you on ignore and move on before the thread keeps getting derailed.


Have a great day!



Quote Originally Posted by Apiratenamedjohn View Post
I dont know where you are finding this sense of superiority or achievement. Mayhaps you are confusing it with your own inferiority?
I havent sneered at anyone.
That argument is rediculous as cats are domesticated and domesticated cats are terrible for the environment.
Also i did not compare snakes to prisoners. I used that to illustrate that the 10-20 minutes of handling a few days a week does nothing for small cage quarters.

Did i say that? Did i say a palace or bioactive haven was necessary? No, in fact what i said was, the biggest and closest to the natural environment as you can afford should be your concern if you are getting a pet and not breeding stock.
You do realize this includes giving them hides, waterdishes, correct temps and humidities, correct day/night periods, etc etc? I adressed this. I also mentioned breeder racks and did not talk down or negatively about them.
I havent talked down to or negatively to anyone. It seems you are inferring an awful lot.