Well, we got breakthrough number 2. Pat was being his active little self so i opened the door and left it open to see what happened. Well, curious Pat came down to the open door and hang outside looking around. I slid my hand under him as he was half out the door and kind of just lifted him up and he just sat on me. Held him for a couple mins to just let him get used to being held but not long enough to stress him. I think put my hand on his top perch and he sat half on my hand and half on the perch. This is great except it's at night time as during the day, Pat is sleeping and gets kind of grumpy when you wake him. But now i can start working with him probably twice a week for a few mins at a time and just slowly extend the time and distance, i take him out of the cage.