Online breeders?

[Skyrivers]

Also, don't look into any type of "breeding loans" etc... Usually these don't work out well unless you really know the person and get everything written up in a contract first.

You may want to consider purchasing juvie animals as well... Getting adult breeders will decrease the time you have to wait to breed but there are trade-offs... They may be getting rid of a "proven breeder" because it isn't performing as well, has health problems, etc. They could just be selling an animal when they have a more expensive one to replace it, but you never know.

Also, starting with a juvie, you will spend less upfront, this will be made up with the cost of feeding it, but often you can have a wider selection of animals to choose from and you can possibly pay more $$ and get a higher quality baby for the same price you'd pay for a lower-quality adult of the same morph.

I would agree with the others that you will want to do lots of research before hand.. Make sure that you want to work with mojave and have plans for the future. Mojave is a simple co-dom gene and is not worth much as a single gene animal. Yes, producing a BEL will sell for more, but there will be normals and mojaves produced in the same clutch, so you need to be prepared to feed and care for them all until they can be sold.

Morphmarket, faunaclassifieds, and kingsnake are good places to go. Some fo the FB ball python groups also allow sales, so you can post there too. Just do a BOI search on any potential seller you are thinking about dealing with. There are a lot of scammers out there.

When it comes to breeding and you get normal or less desired morphs, what do most people do with the ones that don't sell. I know if you breed every year this can get quite crazy. I would feel justly so obligated to keep them and care for them, but there has to be people looking for normal as well?

[tttaylorrr]

I would feel justly so obligated to keep them and care for them, but there has to be people looking for normal as well?

you'd be surprised. the market for a normal is entirely too saturated with not enough interest. most people encourage breeding pairs that will not produce normals for this reason: they don't sell.

[Skyrivers]

you'd be surprised. the market for a normal is entirely too saturated with not enough interest. most people encourage breeding pairs that will not produce normals for this reason: they don't sell.

what would you suggest if I want to breed for BEL's but not have a high chance of a normal? Throw a Banana gene in there?

[tttaylorrr]

what would you suggest if I want to breed for BEL's but not have a high chance of a normal? Throw a Banana gene in there?

i can't give you a suggestion because there's a million things i could suggest! you need to do some research on morphs, pairings, and figure out a direction you want to go with, because these animals and all their babies will be with you for potentially their entire lives; you need to like what you produce.

go to WorldofBallPythons.com and start browsing and typing stuff in, or play with the Genetic Wizard. this is how i learned about morphs and what morphs i want to work with. you have a lot to learn and a long way to go, and that website is STUFFED with info.

[Skyrivers]

i can't give you a suggestion because there's a million things i could suggest! you need to do some research on morphs, pairings, and figure out a direction you want to go with, because these animals and all their babies will be with you for potentially their entire lives; you need to like what you produce.

go to WorldofBallPythons.com and start browsing and typing stuff in, or play with the Genetic Wizard. this is how i learned about morphs and what morphs i want to work with. you have a lot to learn and a long way to go, and that website is STUFFED with info.

Thanks. Now time to make like a sponge.

[tttaylorrr]

Thanks. Now time to make like a sponge.

good luck!!!

[artgecko]

When it comes to breeding and you get normal or less desired morphs, what do most people do with the ones that don't sell. I know if you breed every year this can get quite crazy. I would feel justly so obligated to keep them and care for them, but there has to be people looking for normal as well?

I agree with the other posters. You want to try to pair animals that won't produce normals, at least as much as possible. You can achieve this by pairing a super animal (i.e. super pastel or a BEL, etc.) to another non-super, that way, you will always end up with animals that are at least one morph and easier to sell. You can also do this by breeding 2 recessive visual animals (i.e. 2 pieds, ghosts, clowns, etc.) as that will always produce the recessive morph.

People who produce a lot of snakes a year, say, people that do this for a living, can sell their normals and cheaper animals at wholesale prices to large pet store chains, etc. Some people can work out a similar deal with a local (non-chain) pet store as well, but this is not very common. Many people sell their unwanted animals to flippers / re-sellers to then sell at reptile shows, etc. But again, for way less than the animals' normal "market value".

Normals are sold at reptile shows for as little as $25 (or even less) so consider that at that price, you aren't really even making any money considering the cost of food and housing. This is why it is best to go very slowly and be prepared to keep an entire clutch until they sell (unless you have the means to make a deal with a local store, etc.).

I'm not trying to be a downer, just trying to be realistic about things.
I have just now begun my first breeding project after ~5 years of keeping and I intend to only breed 1-2 clutches my first year with plans to sell at a local reptile show and online. I will have to wait for my breeders to mature, and purchase all the equipment, so I won't be making any money off this venture to say the least lol.

[Skyrivers]

I agree with the other posters. You want to try to pair animals that won't produce normals, at least as much as possible. You can achieve this by pairing a super animal (i.e. super pastel or a BEL, etc.) to another non-super, that way, you will always end up with animals that are at least one morph and easier to sell. You can also do this by breeding 2 recessive visual animals (i.e. 2 pieds, ghosts, clowns, etc.) as that will always produce the recessive morph.

People who produce a lot of snakes a year, say, people that do this for a living, can sell their normals and cheaper animals at wholesale prices to large pet store chains, etc. Some people can work out a similar deal with a local (non-chain) pet store as well, but this is not very common. Many people sell their unwanted animals to flippers / re-sellers to then sell at reptile shows, etc. But again, for way less than the animals' normal "market value".

Normals are sold at reptile shows for as little as $25 (or even less) so consider that at that price, you aren't really even making any money considering the cost of food and housing. This is why it is best to go very slowly and be prepared to keep an entire clutch until they sell (unless you have the means to make a deal with a local store, etc.).

I'm not trying to be a downer, just trying to be realistic about things.
I have just now begun my first breeding project after ~5 years of keeping and I intend to only breed 1-2 clutches my first year with plans to sell at a local reptile show and online. I will have to wait for my breeders to mature, and purchase all the equipment, so I won't be making any money off this venture to say the least lol.

I agree with you completely. I know I'm asking a lot of questions in a short period of time but I'm not in a hurry.

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[artgecko]

I agree with you completely. I know I'm asking a lot of questions in a short period of time but I'm not in a hurry.

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No problem... If you don't ask, you can't learn.

[Skyrivers]

No problem... If you don't ask, you can't learn.

And I have a lot to learn

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