Quote Originally Posted by Ax01 View Post
that looks like a pair of Cinny's to me. the keyholes are there. also a belly/side belly pix would help. i think they are just high dorsal pattern examples. also i think the double het influence is doing some cool stuff to the pattern in the lower third. this looks like a project w/ great potential. congrats on the pickup!

also those 8-Ball's look awesome esp. the one w/ the ringer.
To be honest, I didn’t want to go against members that have a lot more experience than me but now that someone else sees it, I feel a little more comfortable giving my opinion. I think both look like they could be cinnamon or even black pastel, I will admit I have difficulty telling them apart all the time, but since there was a parent with each, either could be a possibility. The main trait that leads me to think they could be is the way the side pattern starts to blend together towards the back third of the animal. This is a well known characteristic of both black pastel and cinnamon but I’m not sure if it happens in normals or not, I actually have not seen many normals. The reason I bring up the possibility of black pastel is because they typically look darker to me than cinnamon, the slight color difference is really the only way I’ve learned to tell cinnamon and black pastel apart. Since these two look pretty dark I feel like it shouldn’t be ruled out especially considering one of the parents had black pastel.

If the parents didn’t have other things going on, I’d be super interested in seeing them just to see what kind of pattern they have to possibly narrow down if these two have patterns closer to one or the other.

I think they are both beautiful pickups either way and still give you a ton of breeding potential. Congrats.