Thank you for taking time to read what I posted, I never meant to say tubs and racks were cruel or anything I was trying to advocate for bigger ones. I am well aware that tubs and racks are more space efficient and keep heat easier and the like. The picture was a breeding pair of bps in a little tub that they barely fit in, I can send it to you if you want. This whole thread turned into a mess that I wasn't prepared for