Oh and forgot to add, yeah JMCrook and my retic have rubbed themselves pretty bad a few times. JMs has swollen her lip a couple times and mine has flattened half his face and split his lip as well as put about 4 scrapes on the bottom of his chin and messed up a couple belly scales from an experiment I tried with going to a 2 week feeding schedule. I figured he would quit pushing after a few days....yeah he didn't and he destroyed himself. He healed up fine and I learned Caesar has to have food every 10 days haha.