Quote Originally Posted by DLena View Post
My position is this (and it's a big bone of contention, and I'm not trying to start WW III): I will not knowingly breed snakes that will result in the deaths of the babies - in or out of the shell - or in the creation of physically deformed or neurologically impaired babies. Enough happens accidentally. I know there are beautiful spiders and spider combos and champagnes, and HGW... but I don't think, now that we are fully aware of the situation, that they should be bred just because we like how they look.
This mentality is why we have German shepards that can't walk properly because of their hips, Collies that can't see, Pugs that can only birth their babies by C-section and those babies need nasal surgery so they can breathe properly.
As breeders, creating morphs and breeds for our own pleasure, it is inherently our obligation to do right by these "man made" creatures.
And I see it in black and white, no gray. "Well it's just a little wobble." Or "But it eats, sleeps and goes to the bathroom just fine." Is fine if it's accidental. I have a baby AHS with a kink that will never be bred but wasn't bad enough to be fed off. BUT to intentionally breed knowing the bad outcome is ethically wrong for me.
You are back peddling what you orginally said. There is no suffering we know of, there is nothing post hatch problems you speak of in 2 posts. It's a failure to thrive. There's no chance of these failure to thrive animals to effect later generations like all of the animals you list above. We can't use them to do what you imply as they fail to thrive. There is no economic gain as I show in the post above. If you find something ethically wrong with that, thats fine. Your problem however seems to be far more focused on the spider gene itself rather than the super spider that cannot do any of which you want to imply.

I do see how there is a ethics debate, with spiders and super spiders, I've had that debate with myself. But If you want to have a discussion with substance let's at least stick to things that are true.