Quote Originally Posted by Trisnake View Post
Mota is black eyed Lucy complex, not blue eyed. Super mota looks identical to super fire looks identical to fire mota. I'm out with family right now but I will see if I can track down some of my sources for this.

As far as I've seen, lucifer/sauce is equivalent to fire and thunder is equivalent to vanilla, they act and look pretty much the same in combos and in the single gene form.

Haven't seen enough about ember to really comment there.
think im getting closer this might be where the confusion stems from.
ok so here i find BlkEL https://www.americanmadeexotics.com/mota-project.html
Here it is as a BEL https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ex-With-Combos
is it allelic with the BEL but makes BlkEL when bred together?