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[Stewart_Reptiles]

Appreciate the help! Thank you.


so happy to see people actually read whats being asked and answer the question er the question instead of attacking with misinformation over a small detail that is only a supportive detail to a question.

Right

You asked

Is it normal for a Ball Python to refuse to relieve him/herself in their tank?

I answered

First a lot of antropomorphism here in this thread.

BP do not go on schedule they go when they need too, it can be once a week, or once a month or every other month it varies on the individual and has no incidence on whether the animal can eat or not.

BP are VERY efficient whatever is not used as fuel or for growth is eliminated it's that simple, there is no avoiding doing it in it's tank just like there is no "not wanting anything to do with you".

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But that does not help, it is you giving human sentiment to your animal that leads you to believe that there is an issue the he refuses or avoid to go in his tank, like he is making a decision.

TO which I point that there is no schedule they go when they NEED to do, 1 week 1 month, 12 weeks it varies.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Wow. Mods abusing their powers because someone doesn't agree with them and has supportive evidence behind them?

i shouldn't even be surprised. ��

I am not posting in this thread as a MOD but as a member which I have been for almost 10 years, when I post as a mod you will know.

As a member I provide advice and answer question, can't help if you don't like the answers.

So since I abuse my powers which is a pretty serious accusation (might want to read the TOS), did you receive an infraction or were you temporally banned because that would be abuse of power from a mod, me posting in your thread, posting my opinion, disagreeing with you, or even giving you a rep is not abuse of power it's what any and all member can do. BTW I am done

Can lead the horse to the water but.....

[KingWheatley]

To be honest, there is a difference between being blunt and being rude. Deborah is blunt.

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There is a rather fine line. She was blunt to a point, however she's crested upon being rude after attacking someone else who has decent information and isn't even on site to defend herself just because she has opinions she has video proof of that doesn't match Deborah's.

instead of being open to the possibility that some of the things she says actually COULD be wrong, she instead abuses her mod powers, docks whatever the heck this reputation thing is from me, sends a message, and continues to respond to me despite my attempts to literally ignore her. Because she is a mod I'm unable to block her. Which gets on my nerves that someone like THAT is a mod. Not everyone gets along with a know-it-all. Especially another KNOW-it-all.

though, I'm very aware of my faults and I actually own up to them. There is a reason I don't attempt to be a moderator of anything because I understand I can actually be a bit too intense for people.

[Eric Alan]

One of the things she does is wait until they poop to feed them, because getting backed up will kill them.

She can do as she pleases, but that's not a thing for ball pythons. If it were, you'd better believe that those of us that keep and breed them would have that in place as a best practice and educate new keepers of it.

I just went through every defication and every feeding for the 4 animals I've had the longest - that's 3.5 years worth of rats and poop while growing from hatchlings to adults. I could do the same for every animal in my collection, but I won't. Here's a summary:

	Meals Between Poops (avg)	Meals Between Poops (median)	Meals Between Poops (max)	Meals Between Poops (min)
BP #1	3.64	3	12	1
BP #2	3.49	3	13	1
BP #3	2.71	2	6	1
BP #4	2.58	2	8	1

If I waited until they pooped to feed them, at a MINIMUM, they'd be getting about 1/3 as many meals assuming they still pooped on the same schedule. In reality, it'd be far less food than that because they wouldn't be deficating as often because they'd be eating less. I'm not about to care for my collection that way.

hes not quite big enough for the "small" rats they have at PetsMart. The large mice were Ok'd by the vet I took him to. Said for his weight it's perfect for now. (He's in good health) I'm nervous though about the rats because they smell different. If he doesn't take well to rats, is ok to feed mice? Or is it one of those things I might have to consider assist feeding rats at a certain stage?

It's fine to feed mice long term - you're just going to be feeding a lot of them. There's no reason to assist feed an animal that's eating well on its own.

[KingWheatley]

I am not posting in this thread as a MOD but as a member which I have been for almost 10 years, when I post as a mod you will know.

As a member I provide advice and answer question, can't help if you don't like the answers.

So since I abuse my powers which is a pretty serious accusation (might want to read the TOS), did you receive an infraction or were you temporally banned because that would be abuse of power from a mod, me posting in your thread, posting my opinion, disagreeing with you, or even giving you a rep is not abuse of power it's what any and all member can do.

*points at my rep bar* That wasn't you?

I thought that was a mod thing. If it isn't then I am wrong about that and I will apologize for that misunderstanding.

however, my firmness that I disagree with you on snakes not having emotions. They don't experience happiness, or love. But they DO have the capacity for emotions like stress and fear, dislike and like. Snakes can be smarter than they get credit for. They aren't pigs, chimps, or dolphins. But they are certainly more advanced than a mouse is.

[Fraido]

There is a rather fine line. She was blunt to a point, however she's crested upon being rude after attacking someone else who has decent information and isn't even on site to defend herself just because she has opinions she has video proof of that doesn't match Deborah's.

instead of being open to the possibility that some of the things she says actually COULD be wrong, she instead abuses her mod powers, docks whatever the heck this reputation thing is from me, sends a message, and continues to respond to me despite my attempts to literally ignore her. Because she is a mod I'm unable to block her. Which gets on my nerves that someone like THAT is a mod. Not everyone gets along with a know-it-all. Especially another KNOW-it-all.

though, I'm very aware of my faults and I actually own up to them. There is a reason I don't attempt to be a moderator of anything because I understand I can actually be a bit too intense for people.

I didn't mean to thank this post. There should really be a way to unthank things, not sure why you can't.

But back on point, it is a fine line, and she did not cross it. She has opinions, and they are based on fact.

[Fraido]

...But they are certainly more advanced than a mouse is...

I disagree with this so much. I really believe this is incorrect.

[KingWheatley]

She can do as she pleases, but that's not a thing for ball pythons. If it were, you'd better believe that those of us that keep and breed them would have that in place as a best practice and educate new keepers of it.

I just went through every defication and every feeding for the 4 animals I've had the longest - that's 3.5 years worth of rats and poop while growing from hatchlings to adults. I could do the same for every animal in my collection, but I won't. Here's a summary:

	Meals Between Poops (avg)	Meals Between Poops (median)	Meals Between Poops (max)	Meals Between Poops (min)
BP #1	3.64	3	12	1
BP #2	3.49	3	13	1
BP #3	2.71	2	6	1
BP #4	2.58	2	8	1

If I waited until they pooped to feed them, at a MINIMUM, they'd be getting about 1/3 as many meals assuming they still pooped on the same schedule. In reality, it'd be far less food than that because they wouldn't be deficating as often because they'd be eating less. I'm not about to care for my collection that way.

It's fine to feed mice long term - you're just going to be feeding a lot of them. There's no reason to assist feed an animal that's eating well on its own.

Hm... That makes sense... could it simply be that just because he's growing that he's popping out poops more often? Or perhaps he knows it's feeding day, so he makes room? Is that something they can do?

[KingWheatley]

I didn't mean to thank this post. There should really be a way to unthank things, not sure why you can't.

But back on point, it is a fine line, and she did not cross it. She has opinions, and they are based on fact.

You can, actually. It's the same location as the thank button is if you're using the site. I don't know about any apps though.

[KingWheatley]

I disagree with this so much. I really believe this is incorrect.

Mice don't have any capacity of intelligence other than running around, pooping, eating, and reproducing.

they are stupid animals that don't seem to recognize danger unless they are wild. It's as if they don't have any proper instincts at birth.

I may be mixing information about mice and hamsters though...