question about long term breeding possible effects?

[AM1GROSS]

so i try not to think, it takes way to much out of me, but this is a thought i had...

everyone that has snakes at some point wants to try breeding, weather it is just a one time thing for them selves or they get in to breeding and selling, but here is my thought, is there ever going to be a time when all that is out there is multiple gene balls. the demand for these multiple gene animals is high, and so is the price tag. will there ever be a time when someone says "i just want a normal" and they have to pay a crazy price to get it?

[AM1GROSS]

i have actually thought about getting 2 wc normals and keep them just so i can produce normals every once in a while

[Willowy]

I think most morphs will produce a certain percentage of normals. So I doubt normals will be the hot thing at any point. Single-gene morphs might get to be somewhat rare though. Pastels or lessers or whatever.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Depending on what you produce there are still normal being hatched, now many breeders try to breed so there are little to no normal being hatched (I am one of them), reason is simple there is little demand for them at least online and sitting on a normal for a year or two does not make very much sense financially when you breed if you don't have an outlet for them (you need to sell locally or do shows), not many people will pay $45 to $60 for a $15 to $25 dollars animal to be shipped.

Now will there be a shortage of normals? NO there won't be has CH babies are imported every year, always have always will be.

[JodanOrNoDan]

What Deborah says is 100% true, however I will say this. I have paid above market for one of my normals, but I did not buy her to produce normals. I bought her as a "gene divider". I picked her for her size and reduced pattern. Very few of my pairings have a very high chance of producing normals. Most have no chance.

[AM1GROSS]

ok all good points... like I daid before I am a dummy when it comes to thinking, so help me with this next statement...

I thought (again that is a struggle for me) that if you bred a x type snake to x type snake then in the offspring even though it is a normal, it will still have x type gene... so it will always have the possibility to produce x type snake..

am I way off here?

[AM1GROSS]

Depending on what you produce there are still normal being hatched, now many breeders try to breed so there are little to no normal being hatched (I am one of them), reason is simple there is little demand for them at least online and sitting on a normal for a year or two does not make very much sense financially when you breed if you don't have an outlet for them (you need to sell locally or do shows), not many people will pay $45 to $60 for a $15 to $25 dollars animal to be shipped.

Now will there be a shortage of normals? NO there won't be has CH babies are imported every year, always have always will be.

I am sure in my life time, (I am pretty old, I am sure I don't have much time left) that I will never see the price of a normal go back up, but if the rarity ever changes for this snake, weather that be tougher import laws or what have you.

[MiniMed]

ok all good points... like I daid before I am a dummy when it comes to thinking, so help me with this next statement...

I thought (again that is a struggle for me) that if you bred a x type snake to x type snake then in the offspring even though it is a normal, it will still have x type gene... so it will always have the possibility to produce x type snake..

am I way off here?

Not necessarily. If the gene is codominant it wont necessarily be carried on. For example, the pastel gene. If you take a pastel female (Pp) and pair it to a pastel male (Pp) [with the capital P being the pastel gene and the lower case p being the normal gene), then theoretically you will have 1/4 super pastel (PP), 1/2 pastels (Pp), and 1/4 normals (pp). I'm sure it is not that simple, but it seems with single gene morphs it follows simple mendelian genetics.

PS I know nothing about ball python specific genes, just studied human genetics in college, but I believe the same principles apply in these cases, especially with single gene snakes. And I believe their points are that you can breed the ability to produce normals out of some morphs but in codominant morphs who aren't "super" with two of the morph gene, you can produce normals who don't carry the morph gene in question and can only contribute the normal genes.

[AM1GROSS]

Not necessarily. If the gene is codominant it wont necessarily be carried on. For example, the pastel gene. If you take a pastel female (Pp) and pair it to a pastel male (Pp) [with the capital P being the pastel gene and the lower case p being the normal gene), then theoretically you will have 1/4 super pastel (PP), 1/2 pastels (Pp), and 1/4 normals (pp). I'm sure it is not that simple, but it seems with single gene morphs it follows simple mendelian genetics.

PS I know nothing about ball python specific genes, just studied human genetics in college, but I believe the same principles apply in these cases, especially with single gene snakes. And I believe their points are that you can breed the ability to produce normals out of some morphs but in codominant morphs who aren't "super" with two of the morph gene, you can produce normals who don't carry the morph gene in question and can only contribute the normal genes.

I guess that makes a little more cense. question time!

so since you studied human genetics, wouldn't a child from 1 black parent and 1 white parent make the child half of each race? I get confused easily!

[AM1GROSS]

I think I answered my own question because a white parent and black parent would be dominant genes... there for a child would be half black and half white...