Quote Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan View Post
Both those girls are now on frozen/thawed. My point is even with me right there, that is 1/6 odds. So, if I ever need to feed live again I am doing the kibble thing.
Glad to hear you got them onto f/t! I eventually was able to with mine as well. Another thing I didn't mention earlier but now that I think about - anything I've ever fed live was a poor feeder and fed live as a last resort. When my snake was bitten he did kill and eat the mouse but wouldn't eat again for a few attempts at that. Of course long term he was fine but it can be worrisome when you're already having feeding issues. Plus, it's probably nicer for the rat, too. I'd rather die eating a hamburger than thinking "oh crap I just know there's a hungry lion around here somewhere."

Like it is a small risk (and more along the lines of a small bite injury to the snake rather than death) and I get not doing it but I don't get being all condescending about it. There is literally no downside, and several upsides, for the cost of one piece of kibble. No reason to make someone feel silly for wanting to do that.