Butter/Lesser/Mojave

[OhhWatALoser]

Butter queen bee is a butter pastel spider. Some people differentiate between the two lines of the same gene. Which imo is unnecessary at this point. There are atleast two different lines of lesser and two different lines of butter and probably more. So that's at least 4 different lines of 1 gene with 2 different names.

I don't know why people think this stuff is confusing

[Aercadia]

By lines, we mean:

Aaron discovers the gene in Albuquerque and calls it the A-gene.
Bob discovers the gene in Berlin and calls it the B-gene.

They are the same gene - both snakes will present with the same looks and the genes will act the same way when paired to other genes - but they are called different things depending whether they are descendants of the snake from Albuquerque or Berlin.

[Slowcountry Balls]

Hey all, just joined the Forum today. New to the genetics so still figuring things out (i.e. forgive my ignorance!)...

Everywhere I look people talk about Butter and Lesser being varying expression of the same gene. Most agree, but some don't. This makes sense because even when you breed them into other genes they still look very similar, such as with Butter/Pastel/Spider and Lesser/Pastel/Spider (for example).

Butter/Pastel/Spider:


Lesser/Pastel/Spider (lighting is different, but you can see how similar they look):



BUT!!!

If they're the same gene, can someone please explain this snake to me? How is this possible if Butter and Lesser are the same gene? Is this a "super" expression of the gene, but they're just not not calling it that in order to keep Butter/Lesser identified separately?



Thanks for any info!


1.0 Butter Ball Python
1.0 Butterbee Ball Python
1.0 Firefly Ball Python
0.1 Mojave Ball Python
1.0 Western Hognose
1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
2.0 Red Tail Boa (Imperator)

A Queen Bee is a Lesser Pastel Spider. A Butter Queen Bee is a Queen Bee with Lesser replaced by Butter. So a Butter Queen Be is a Butter Pastel Spider. They are just trying to let you know that they used Butter and not Lesser to make the Queen Bee.

Edit: Sorry for the duplicate answer. I responded before I saw OhhWhatALoser's reply on page 2.

[Eric Alan]

By lines, we mean:

Aaron discovers the gene in Albuquerque and calls it the A-gene.
Bob discovers the gene in Berlin and calls it the B-gene.

They are the same gene - both snakes will present with the same looks and the genes will act the same way when paired to other genes - but they are called different things depending whether they are descendants of the snake from Albuquerque or Berlin.

Does that make the two I have of Eastern European descent? B = Butter = Berlin, right?

[Jase52]

Thanks very much Slowcountry Balls & OhhWatALoser; very helpful. I also got the same response from a couple breeders at the 2016 Atlanta Repticon convention.

I don't know why people think this stuff is confusing

Just remember, some of us joined the community in 2016, not 2007 - silly goober. Greatly appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us dummies

[OhhWatALoser]

Just remember, some of us joined the community in 2016, not 2007 - silly goober. Greatly appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us dummies

I was being very sarcastic lol. Trust me some of this stuff is still confusing for us who joined in 2007.

[crooner1981]

Slightly off topic, does the person you're getting these snakes from always drive around with snakes in his car.😂

Jack of all trades, master of none.

[MarkS]

Slightly off topic, does the person you're getting these snakes from always drive around with snakes in his car.😂

Jack of all trades, master of none.

What? You don't???