"Pied" female ... Opinions please

[T_Sauer]

I was more meaning that I if you have to ask you are probably questioning how much you like it yourself. I would guess that is a nice looking black pastel leopard, but I am not expert.

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I see your point, sorry if I seemed to come off abrasive, that's not what I was going for (I was still on my first cup of Joe for the morning ) ... I also see where your guess is reasonable as the distorted cheerios are busy and collide a lot similar to what leopard does to some morphs. Yes black pastel ... The breeder is calling it a male Black Pastel 100% Het pied it is a 135 gram baby .. aaaand ...... My curiosity has gotten the better of me and I am curious that there is a chance with those nice ringers, that it could possibly be a very low white black pastel pied .... It's going out on a limb and just a hope I have, but time will tell .... None the less, I believe it to be worth every penny of the $100 I am giving for it

[dwilliams]

Not a black pastel pied but maybe one of the parents is leopard pied and the breeder doesn't know.

[Hannahshissyfix]

I paid 300 for a low white female pied recently but 400 isn't terrible. I'd personally offer less since you can find a higher white hatchling for the same price.

[Ax01]

the 0.1 low-white Pied originally posted is a fair price, not a deal.

and that Black Pastel het Pied was only $100?! holy moley!! now that's a deal! they're like $200 for normal looking Black Pastel het Pieds, probably $300 or more for a visually stunning one like that.

also IMO i don't believe it's Leopard. it's hard to imagine at least 2 generations of BP's without (parents and this clutch) without seeing anything obviously Leopard. i believe it's a Black Pastel het Pied with strong visual indicators of the Pied gene.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

I see your point, sorry if I seemed to come off abrasive, that's not what I was going for (I was still on my first cup of Joe for the morning ) ... I also see where your guess is reasonable as the distorted cheerios are busy and collide a lot similar to what leopard does to some morphs. Yes black pastel ... The breeder is calling it a male Black Pastel 100% Het pied it is a 135 gram baby .. aaaand ...... My curiosity has gotten the better of me and I am curious that there is a chance with those nice ringers, that it could possibly be a very low white black pastel pied .... It's going out on a limb and just a hope I have, but time will tell .... None the less, I believe it to be worth every penny of the $100 I am giving for it

Nope it is a low white pied there is no black pastel involved.

Head, color, pattern and amount of white are wrong for a black pastel pied.

[T_Sauer]

Nope it is a low white pied there is no black pastel involved.

Head, color, pattern and amount of white are wrong for a black pastel pied.

Interesting .... I was not questioning the Black pastel factor at all, as it extremely resembles my regular black pastel female I have. You are referring to the second snake I posted a picture of on page 2 of this thread right Deborah?? This thread took a little twist on page 2 not sure if maybe you missed that part of the thread

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Interesting .... I was not questioning the Black pastel factor at all, as it extremely resembles my regular black pastel female I have. You are referring to the second snake I posted a picture of on page 2 of this thread right Deborah?? This thread took a little twist on page 2 not sure if maybe you missed that part of the thread

Sorry I missed that I thought you were talking about the female that will teach me to read everything.

The male is a black pastel het pied but not a visual pied pretty much for the same reason, head patter and overall body pattern and the true test if you are still in doubt is the belly, if you check the belly you will see a typical Black Pastel belly not a pied belly.

[bks2100]

Price is something I really struggle with online. In Florida we have a lot of shows and some stuff I can get at shows cheaper than online and vice versa. That price for a pied female I'd call "fair" but I would pass on that one. Partly because I'd rather have a more significant amount of white and have it be more obvious it's a pied (if you try to sell her down the road you will most likely get less than a high white), but I'd also just rather take another route to pieds (which I'm actually doing). I can get het pieds at shows for $50 very easily, so I'd rather buy like 4 het pied females and then in a year or so I'd buy a male (I bet you can find pied males later this year for 200) and then breed. If you buy a pied male and pied female like this you'll probably end 2016 with 1.1 pieds and you'll have to pray that she'll be up to size and ready to go in a year. If she decides she wants nothing to do with the male, or she goes off feed too often, then you're screwed. But if you have 4 het pied females it's a better chance to having consistent clutches. I'd rather take 50% chance of getting a pied on 4 clutches than 100% chance on 1. That's of course if you want and can handle twice the snakes. If you don't have the room and are fine waiting if she doesn't go then a pied female is fine.

I personally do have a pied female, but I also have 2 het pied females just in case. I paid 360 (Tampa Repticon) for my pied girl last year and she was ~400g.

[T_Sauer]

Sorry I missed that I thought you were talking about the female that will teach me to read everything.

The male is a black pastel het pied but not a visual pied pretty much for the same reason, head patter and overall body pattern and the true test if you are still in doubt is the belly, if you check the belly you will see a typical Black Pastel belly not a pied belly.

I had assumed you overlooked it Deborah no worries, but thanks you for the small lesson on Het verification

[T_Sauer]

Price is something I really struggle with online. In Florida we have a lot of shows and some stuff I can get at shows cheaper than online and vice versa. That price for a pied female I'd call "fair" but I would pass on that one. Partly because I'd rather have a more significant amount of white and have it be more obvious it's a pied (if you try to sell her down the road you will most likely get less than a high white), but I'd also just rather take another route to pieds (which I'm actually doing). I can get het pieds at shows for $50 very easily, so I'd rather buy like 4 het pied females and then in a year or so I'd buy a male (I bet you can find pied males later this year for 200) and then breed. If you buy a pied male and pied female like this you'll probably end 2016 with 1.1 pieds and you'll have to pray that she'll be up to size and ready to go in a year. If she decides she wants nothing to do with the male, or she goes off feed too often, then you're screwed. But if you have 4 het pied females it's a better chance to having consistent clutches. I'd rather take 50% chance of getting a pied on 4 clutches than 100% chance on 1. That's of course if you want and can handle twice the snakes. If you don't have the room and are fine waiting if she doesn't go then a pied female is fine.

I personally do have a pied female, but I also have 2 het pied females just in case. I paid 360 (Tampa Repticon) for my pied girl last year and she was ~400g.

I understand what you are saying These pick ups are local. I already have Het pied females for the exact reasons you explained above, the reasons for picking up this female visual is simply for an odds booster and also a personal appeal