Where to find super dwarves

[bcr229]

It doesn't sound like they keep track of what localities they breed, but weather it's dwarf or super dwarf.

I think that's a mistake - just like with the boa keepers who want specific-lineage locality BCI's, there are plenty of folks who will want specific locality SD's, not crosses of different SD lines.

[Yodawagon]

I think that's a mistake - just like with the boa keepers who want specific-lineage locality BCI's, there are plenty of folks who will want specific locality SD's, not crosses of different SD lines.

I agree. I think what has driven people to cross them with the mainlands is the morphs. The problem is, once crossed to a mainland to pick up that gene wheather a recessive or co dominant, it can never be 100% locality again. I know people love morphs, me included, but I think pure super dwarf retics still have a strong place in the market.

[Yodawagon]

I agree. I think what has driven people to cross them with the mainlands is the morphs. The problem is, once crossed to a mainland to pick up that gene wheather a recessive or co dominant, it can never be 100% locality again. I know people love morphs, me included, but I think pure super dwarf retics still have a strong place in the market.

I stand corrected. Looks like there is 100% Super dwarf anery. Not sure of locality though.

[BFE Pets]

I have a pure Javan male (dwarf locallity) 1.1 sd anery that will breed next season I hope, 0.1 50% sd phantom, 100% dwarf 1.0 orange ghost stripe, That pair should go next season if they keep growing the way they have been. I'm expecting my 75% dwarf lav girl to drop eggs very soon paired to my tiger motley het albino male. also have a wc botan male (dwarf locale) and looking to pick up a female come spring from a friend. also got my fingers crossed that my gc het albino took to my sunstripe het albino and get a good clutch from them this season. hit me up via pm if you need anything. I also have a lot of friends that have dwarf and super dwarf stuff.

[Yodawagon]

Right now I'm think 100% kalatoa female. I'm still working on the financing part and thinking it through.

[Yodawagon]

I have a pure Javan male (dwarf locallity) 1.1 sd anery that will breed next season I hope, 0.1 50% sd phantom, 100% dwarf 1.0 orange ghost stripe, That pair should go next season if they keep growing the way they have been. I'm expecting my 75% dwarf lav girl to drop eggs very soon paired to my tiger motley het albino male. also have a wc botan male (dwarf locale) and looking to pick up a female come spring from a friend. also got my fingers crossed that my gc het albino took to my sunstripe het albino and get a good clutch from them this season. hit me up via pm if you need anything. I also have a lot of friends that have dwarf and super dwarf stuff.

Will do thanks.

[reptileexperts]

Just now getting back to catching up on some forum stuff in here. . . .

Yeah, Prehistoric pets does not keep locality information on their SD /D lines, they try and keep track of %, but even that seems iffy to me based on Jay's marketing styles.

Travis Kubes is currently not producing SD retics, and has sold most of his collection. It's a sad day, I really miss him in the hobby - but he refocused his life, and I'm happy for him!

Vital Exotics, Kris is a great guy with good communications. But most of his stuff is crossed, with offerings of pures every now and then, but usually not from his own personal stock, but from trades / purchases to resell.

I am no longer working with pure SDs, but will have one batch of F2 50% Kalatoa Tiger / Super Tigers before moving on from SD Crosses and focusing on my Jampeas (major enhancing locale, with potential for both small and big).

If you want a snake that is the size of a corn snake, but a retic by all definitions, a super dwarf pure male Kalatoa is the way to go. If you want something that has some size to it, a 50% F2 Cross is a good way to go because they don't seem to grow past a certain point. My 4 year old female has slammed food her entire life, and she is not growing past 8' roughly. The male first generation 50% Kalatoa cross though is around 11 ft. So it definitely varies based on WHICH generation cross you get.

Some things to keep in mind though.

1) Parental size does not = offspring growth potential
2) Pures are going to be in higher demand and cost will go up in the years to come IF retics manage to get their spot locked on the Lacy Act (bye bye imports)
3) Pures are not as domesticated. They are flighty, some are bitey, and I just did not enjoy working with them personally.
4) The only way to honestly know you are getting the locale you are buying is if you go collect the snake yourself, or you buy from someone who went and collected their lines themselves. Just like in Boa Constrictors, it is a mess when you try and get down to an exact where a snake originated from. Exporters can easily manipulate the documents and say its from a new locale, and just be a weird snake from a different area, or they may come across many different areas. The first SD's that were brought in, were from Kalatoa. They were marketed as SD retics thanks to Bob Clark who coined the phrase.

If you have any questions, direct message me and I'll gladly help. I am dying to get new videos up about SD / D retics and show some updates on some of my crosses, but between caring for the dozen retics, few colubrids, boas, Gila, dogs, cats, fosters, work, travel, photography, and resting, getting these videos up and made has been a huge challenge for me lately.

Hope this helps.

[Yodawagon]

. Is all been very helpful. I think I need to step back and save up some more money and see what becomes available in the near future And make my decision based on the market availability and how much space I can afford to give to this snake.

[bcr229]

3) Pures are not as domesticated. They are flighty, some are bitey, and I just did not enjoy working with them personally.

That's interesting, my pure male must be an outlier. I would call him more "foody" than my other retics but once he knows he's not getting fed he's no more difficult to handle than any other six foot snake.

[reptileexperts]

That's interesting, my pure male must be an outlier. I would call him more "foody" than my other retics but once he knows he's not getting fed he's no more difficult to handle than any other six foot snake.

Not that they are aggressive, just flighty like a wilder king snake is or a rat snake that doesn't get handled often. The crosses help calm them some thanks to longer term domestication. Not saying that this is the case every single time, but it is just the case as it is with smaller snakes who have more fear, and snakes who are short term introduced into captivity without many generations if any from the wild.