Paradoxing: Random or Still to be Proven

[Ax01]

i remember a thread over the summer i think on a pair of paradox Ivory clutchmates. both were amazing, but one was high white except for a paradox patch of half it's face and a spot on it's body. very cool looking animals.

Edit: here they are:



and of course we know the paradox Puma on this website's home page:



is there a way to create paradox BP's?

what if i have, say, 2 paradox Champagnes and breed them together. will i get paradox offsprings? is there a way to determine the odds?

please someone tell me it's been proven genetic.

*crosses fingers*

[redshepherd]

There's a breeder on the fb BP classified page who claims to have frequently produced paradoxes from line breeding from the past 3 years. I only saw his post because he's selling one of his ball pythons (a male super pastel mystic) who apparently makes the paradox stuff. Obviously I can't confirm how true this is, but it's something to think about?

Here's a picture he attached to his post of a few from his clutch, some pastel mystic potions.

[bproffer]

From everything I've read, I don't think it's been proven genetic yet. It would be awesome though.

[Ax01]

There's a breeder on the fb BP classified page who claims to have frequently produced paradoxes from line breeding from the past 3 years. I only saw his post because he's selling one of his ball pythons (a male super pastel mystic) who apparently makes the paradox stuff. Obviously I can't confirm how true this is, but it's something to think about?

a super + mystic+paradoxing = wow! *faints from price tag*

does his line of BP's make paradox or is that something a male BP (as opposed to a female) with paradoxing does?

From everything I've read, I don't think it's been proven genetic yet. It would be awesome though.

paradox is like rare, super outta control, random pied. would be nice it if it can be reproduced.

[redshepherd]

a super + mystic+paradoxing = wow! *faints from price tag*

does his line of BP's make paradox or is that something a male BP with paradoxing does?

I'm going to message him on fb now with this question and more questions, because I'm also curious and skeptical LOL. But I guess he did prove with this photo and clutch that paradoxes pop up more often in his line breeding attempt than others, maybe. Apparently his super pastel mystic isn't paradox, just seems to produce a higher % of paradox in his clutches!

[Ax01]

^ i hope he's keep track of his pairings, clutches, etc. we need the numbers. gotta start calculating some odds.

[redshepherd]

^ i hope he's keep track of his pairings, clutches, etc. we need the numbers. gotta start calculating some odds.

So basically (a very quick summary), he has two males producing paradoxes for multiple seasons. One is a pastel lesser yb, and the other is this super pastel mystic. They are most likely related back a few generations, it seems. They're both not paradox. So basically, visible paradox isn't necessarily genetic, but the ability to produce paradox is... or something like that. Now I'm just guessing. LOL

He said that the entire history is ultimately way too much to type, and he also prefers to keep the history to himself and those who are actually buying, even if it proves out.

[Ax01]

So basically (a very quick summary), he has two males producing paradoxes for multiple seasons. One is a pastel lesser yb, and the other is this super pastel mystic. They are most likely related back a few generations, it seems. They're both not paradox. So basically, visible paradox isn't necessarily genetic, but the ability to produce paradox is... or something like that. Now I'm just guessing. LOL

there's something in his Pastel. it was 2 "ugly" pastels that produced and proved the Monarch gene. he might not even have his original animals anymore.

someone's gotta hold onto their non-visual paradox clutch to prove this.

He said that the entire history is ultimately way too much to type, and he also prefers to keep the history to himself and those who are actually buying, even if it proves out.

Lol he's holding onto the secret recipe like it was Coke Classic or KFC Original. i would too probably until i make a million bucks. he might even still have his original animals if it's not the pastel Lesser YB and Super Pastel Mystic.

Edit: oh wait, he's selling the Super Pastel Mystic.

[paulh]

Two things are required to produce obvious chimeras (the most probable type of paradoxing). Genetics to produce both albinos and non-albinos or lessers and super lessers in a clutch. And the production of double yolk eggs, which is a female thing. (http://www.poultryhelp.com/oddeggs.html)

[Daigga]

Two things are required to produce obvious chimeras (the most probable type of paradoxing). Genetics to produce both albinos and non-albinos or lessers and super lessers in a clutch. And the production of double yolk eggs, which is a female thing. (http://www.poultryhelp.com/oddeggs.html)

I don't believe for a second that paradoxing is caused by chimerism or anything nearly as genetically rare or complex as that. Twins alone are incredibly rare in ball pythons, chimeras would be even more rare than that, but paradox animals pop up all the time. The statistics just don't add up for that to be a realistic cause.

Certain morphs seem to be more prone to paradoxing than others. I know cinnamon, calico, and pastel tend to make some wonky paradox looking snakes when combined (not the same as what's pictured, but a form of paradox all the same). Then there's also the atomic gene, which I haven't seen much of, but looks to be a proven genetic paradox.