I see what you are saying about the more expensive and new mutations, but that is just way to much risk for me. As I am mostly interested in the recessive gene it is hard to see where a ph that did not prove out would fit into my plans, and maybe that is the issue. I mos def make sure about the parents and that the seller guarantees 100% get in the animals I am looking at. I think if I produce possible hets in the future I will definitely sell them at normal prices with the chance that the buyer can get lucky.