I'm doing Spider x Spider

[Galaxygirl]

Yup like Eric said. There are 2 theories. 1: the super is all white so as long as you don't use 2 bel complex balls then you will be fine or 2: the super looks no different from the regular spider gene which means you won't be able to pick out the super regardless. If you use combos you will at least be able to sell what you don't keep. Clutch after clutch of normals and spiders? No thanks

After speaking to breeders that have hatched thousands of Spider x Spider babies and held back babies to prove out a super spider with no results, it seems like one can't be created for some reason. I thought maybe a homozygous spider would result in a slug or the egg rotting sometime during incubation, but with people like TSK and Starzman trying the breeding for years with no unusual increase in slugs or bad eggs (or white babies), it SEEMS like that isn't the case. Maybe for some reason a sperm carrying the spider gene isn't even able to fertilize an egg that also has the spider gene. I have no idea.

[Galaxygirl]

See if u love spiders then it shouldn't bother you I have 6 spiders and 3 are normal because last year just because I love them I bred my spider to normal and all the spiders sold as soon as they came out of the egg and the normals didn't take longer then a month to be claimed so normals and spiders don't bother me the fun is in the breeding and surprises that come along the way but my multi gene spider project is a spider mojave to a pastel special I'm going for crystal bumble bees but everybody is different and wish u luck in hitting those odds

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What bothers me about this pairing is that if you listen to rumors, a Spider x Spider breeding is supposed to create dead white baby snakes. I don't want to have a clutch full or slugs, rotting eggs, or dead babies, so that is my concern about doing this breeding. I don't care much for a single gene spider and I want to breed somewhat economically, so I don't want to invest time and money into a clutch full of normals and singles. I love the spider gene, but producing a bunch of normals does "bother" me, sorry.

[dylanjwicklund]

Heard but never shown proof that's why I rather do it that way no matter how hard I've looked but the most common thing is slugs but if u want to listen to rumors I can go find the page where someone claims to have bred a normal spider to normal spider and all eggs slugged but one and it apperantly was a perfectly healthy baby spider but I haven't heard anything about it after and it's been a few years

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[dylanjwicklund]

Ok well I'm not in it for money so big difference for me this is a passion/hobby so I don't care how much money is wasted into my collection

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[aLittleLessButter]

Ok well I'm not in it for money so big difference for me this is a passion/hobby so I don't care how much money is wasted into my collection

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We do it for the love of our snakes and the hobby as well but when the market is flooded with normal and single genes animals, it is harmful to our hobby to intentionally create clutches of normals and single genes

[Galaxygirl]

Ok well I'm not in it for money so big difference for me this is a passion/hobby so I don't care how much money is wasted into my collection

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Hey, if your passion is normals and single genes, go for it. Personally my passion is 2+ genes. If you're only going to try to demean the people here by questioning their reasons for breeding and telling them what they SHOULD be doing and how they SHOULD feel, you're more than welcome to leave, as you're not contributing anything productive to this discussion, and really taking it off track.

[dylanjwicklund]

Passion is for ball pythons not normals lol and stop quoting me then and it will stop notifing me and theirs not soo many on the market where I am soo it's not flooding anything especially when no one orders a low price animal from America to have it shipped for more then what it's worth

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[aLittleLessButter]

After speaking to breeders that have hatched thousands of Spider x Spider babies and held back babies to prove out a super spider with no results, it seems like one can't be created for some reason. I thought maybe a homozygous spider would result in a slug or the egg rotting sometime during incubation, but with people like TSK and Starzman trying the breeding for years with no unusual increase in slugs or bad eggs (or white babies), it SEEMS like that isn't the case. Maybe for some reason a sperm carrying the spider gene isn't even able to fertilize an egg that also has the spider gene. I have no idea.

I agree. I don't believe it's actually possible. They just aren't viable. With how many people do spiderXspider and get all good eggs, I don't think they exclusive die in the egg or become slugs. I think some times they can also fail to develop from conception in the mom. I think combo disrupts the DNA so much that no matter how far it makes it in development, it will never thrive. I'd like to see the average eggs laid by spider female that were bred to spiders vs the number they laid with non spiders to see if she lays fewer eggs.

[Galaxygirl]

Bumblebee x Super Enchi Lesser Spider

[SmoothScales]

Spider has been reclassified as a Dominant, meaning no super form. Spider x Spider doesn't make spiders with more than normal derp. They won't have any less​ than normal derp, either.