Question about probe placement of Herpstat 4

[JoshSloane]

I never said what you did was dangerous. Simply stated what I and many others use. Most pro built racks come with the heat tape foil taped down.

[KMG]

Once again, Spyder Robotics says not to apply ALUMINIUM tape to their probe tips.

Flexwatt IS saying Calorique, the manufacturer of Flexwatt does not recommend the use if aluminum foil tape with its heat tape products.

Nowhere does either company say DO NOT USE CLEAR PLASTIC MAILING TAPE, OR DUCT TAPE to secure the probe tip directly to the heating element.

I am done.

You keep highlighting the wrong word but at least you corrected yourself about what S.R. actually states.

Before you're done can you show me where either company says to use clear plastic mailing tape or duct tape? Im seriously asking in a sarcastic way.

The issue I see with both of those options is how they get brittle and weak with time, especially adding heat to them. Im sure they work fine for you but I do believe that the aluminum tape is a better choice and will out last the other two tapes mentioned.

I too am not trying to say that what you are doing is dangerous.

[tbowman]

Upon further reading, flexwatt's claims against the aluminium tape seem to be in regards to securing the tape to the rack.

I cannot find anything where either company specifically states the use of clear mailing tape, or duct tape, for probe placement. (although this is done by several experienced herpers)

What I did locate for you is an excerpt from the Herpstat 1 manual wherein Spyder Robotics recommends against using aluminium tape with their product in general, which you claimed was not the case.



In which case, my point remains clear.

There is no evidence to support the claim that securing the probe the way Ralph does in that video will provide false readings.

[KMG]

Upon further reading, flexwatt's claims against the aluminium tape seem to be in regards to securing the tape to the rack.

I cannot find anything where either company specifically states the use of clear mailing tape, or duct tape, for probe placement. (although this is done by several experienced herpers)

What I did locate for you is an excerpt from the Herpstat 1 manual wherein Spyder Robotics recommends against using aluminium tape with their product in general, which you claimed was not the case.



In which case, my point remains clear.

There is no evidence to support the claim that securing the probe the way Ralph does in that video will provide false readings.

You still have no evidence of anything. All that excerpt shows is the same thing they express on their site, it is just missing the word TIP. That way they keep noobs from covering the tip and getting incorrect readings. Sometimes it is easier and safer for a company to make a blanket statement instead of explaining something. That way they can not be sued by people with bad reading comprehension that cover the entire probe tip and harm their snake.

[tbowman]

What? Whenever I leave out the word "tip" I have poor reading comprehension and have no idea what they mean. Yet when they clearly recommend against using aluminum tape to secure the probe, it's because they just forgot to include the word?

[KMG]

What? Whenever I leave out the word "tip" I have poor reading comprehension and have no idea what they mean. Yet when they clearly recommend against using aluminum tape to secure the probe, it's because they just forgot to include the word?

You have read what SR wrote in the way that fits your needs for your case here.

Seems that Josh and I plus countless others know what SR meant by their warning and we have had great success with the aluminum tape without issue.

You use your mailing and duct tape and we will use our aluminum tape.

If you have never tried the aluminum tape you may give it a try. It is super strong and comes off clean unlike duct tape. It also does not become brittle like mailing tape so easily does. Give it a try, you just may like it.

Now that the dead horse is SUPER dead I will leave you all to play with tape, probes, and snakes.

[tbowman]

You have read what SR wrote in the way that fits your needs for your case here.

I have read what they said in the exact way that they posted it

Seems that Josh and I plus countless others know what SR meant by their warning and we have had great success with the aluminum tape without issue.

I never said you can't use it, or even that you'll have issues when using it. The only thing I'm saying is that you haven't provided any links to anything in which either of these two manufacturers ever recommend that you use foil tape. and I have provided multiple instances where it has been recommended against.

Sometimes it is easier and safer for a company to make a blanket statement instead of explaining something.

You're right. In that case, wouldn't their recommendation be this?

Do not apply any tape directly to the probe tip. This will cool down the probe tip causing invalid readings

Rather than

Do not apply aluminum tape directly to the probe tip. This will cool down the probe tip causing invalid readings

I'm not the only one reading things in a way to make them fit my argument.

This is argument is not winnable by either of us. And truthfully, I have nothing against the use of foil tape.

What I'm worried about is people telling others that it's dangerous to tape the probe tip directly to the heating element, which it is not.

That's all.

[Rickys_Reptiles]

I put my probe inside the enclosure, and then cover the probe and wire in water proof epoxy. Gives me the best result. This is an a PVC enclosure.

[KMG]

What I'm worried about is people telling others that it's dangerous to tape the probe tip directly to the heating element, which it is not.

When I have suggested mounting a probe I also suggest aluminum tape so I believe it should be added to not tape the tip since SR makes it a point to say it.

With other tapes if there is no issue with taping the probe tip that's fine and of course the caution of taping the tip is unwarranted and therefor un-needed.

[tbowman]

When I have suggested mounting a probe I also suggest aluminum tape so I believe it should be added to not tape the tip since SR makes it a point to say it.

With other tapes if there is no issue with taping the probe tip that's fine and of course the caution of taping the tip is unwarranted and therefor un-needed.

Very well.

My initial argument was not with you. It was with somebody saying "no tape on the probe directly" and that aluminium tape is the only option.

be sure NOT to put any tape directly on the probe itself, Only use aluminum tape as well.