Need some help with putting a value on these snakes. I am new to the BP game

[newtothegame]

pretty much only way to determine the morph is by looking at it correct? so if it doesnt look like it ....it isnt it. lol...even if it technically might be what he is saying the value just isnt there? He swears it wont produce any regular BPs. But i guess until you breed it you just dont know. So lets say it is what he says it is. whats the value? i might take a gamble on this. I have delt with this guy before and i dont think he would intentionally try to pull one over me. enchi just looks like more orange right? in the picture the colors are washed out bit

[h00blah]

pretty much only way to determine the morph is by looking at it correct? so if it doesnt look like it ....it isnt it. lol...even if it technically might be what he is saying the value just isnt there? He swears it wont produce any regular BPs. But i guess until you breed it you just dont know. So lets say it is what he says it is. whats the value? i might take a gamble on this. I have delt with this guy before and i dont think he would intentionally try to pull one over me. enchi just looks like more orange right? in the picture the colors are washed out bit

Either by visually identifying the morph or by proving it out (which takes YEARS).

Lots of people get a little too excited and claim they have ALL genes in their snakes despite others trying to correct them. Some people just will not change their minds, regardless of the evidence. To them, they produced what they said they produced. It's not necessarily them trying to pull a fast one or to be deceptive, but they just don't like it when people correct them...

Value is not only determined by the number of genes squeezed into the snake, but also the quality. If that were in fact an Enchi Lesser Spider (which I don't believe it is), then it's a low expression enchi, and I would try to advertise it for around $300, especially since I'd have to convince people who know what they're looking for that Enchi exists in that combo.. Just keep in mind, quality in = quality out. The price might be great for you, but don't complain when you can't identify the enchis or spiders in your clutches, or if you do photo updates and people will constantly point out that they don't think you have Enchi in your snake. To me, it's not worth the gamble. But if you don't really mind, then that's all you !

[Eric Alan]

pretty much only way to determine the morph is by looking at it correct? so if it doesnt look like it ....it isnt it. lol...even if it technically might be what he is saying the value just isnt there? He swears it wont produce any regular BPs. But i guess until you breed it you just dont know. So lets say it is what he says it is. whats the value? i might take a gamble on this. I have delt with this guy before and i dont think he would intentionally try to pull one over me

With standard incomplete dominant morphs like these (Lesser, Spider, and Enchi), yes - they're either there or they're not.

Whoever this guy is, he's losing a bit of credibility IMO. A Lesser Bee Enchi (IF it has Enchi, which I don't see either) is only a 3 gene animal and not a Super form of anything. This guy is either blowing smoke, doesn't know what he's talking about, or both if he's telling you it won't produce any normals. There's a 12.5% chance that a 3-gene animal (again, no Super) won't pass along any of those genes when paired, meaning that there's a 12.5% chance at producing a normal. For a 2-gene animal, those odds double.

Ultimately though, if you like the looks of these animals and agree on what you believe to be a fair price, then go ahead and make a deal with him. Just try to educate yourself a bit about what you are getting into, just like you're already doing by asking these questions in the first place.

[bcr229]

Lesser Bee sir not Queen Bee

Im with hooblah, not seeing and Enchi there either.

Pssss, I'm not a sir.

I don't see enchi in that snake either.

[newtothegame]

yeah Im pulling out on that one. i think all you guys make super valid points and I will agree with you. Would be unwise not to. So hows that firefly look? $200 snake at the min right? when i compare to other pictures she is pretty bright what would you rate the quality on her?

[Eric Alan]

yeah Im pulling out on that one. i think all you guys make super valid points and I will agree with you. Would be unwise not to. So hows that firefly look? $200 snake at the min right? when i compare to other pictures she is pretty bright what would you rate the quality on her?

FWIW, look up Stingless Bee on WOBP to see pics of what it should look like. That is the "fun name" for an Enchi Lesser Spider.

[newtothegame]

aww yeah i just dont see the resemblance at all. very washed orange if any on this one. great job people you saved me some coin or at least frustration down the road. oh what did we ever do without the internet years ago. lol I do like the firefly tho. anyone want to trade me any type of pied? i really am just looking for a pet maybe breed down the road.

[PitOnTheProwl]

Pssss, I'm not a sir.

In my old defense.....I only see your fingerprints. LoL

[rlditmars]

Here is a link to a site advertising a lesser stinger bee. http://nicebalz.com/lesser-stinger-bee-ball-python

Big difference from the one in the picture you provided. Draw your own conclusion.