Spider Wobble Question

[AKA Dave]

So I have the opportunity to get a nice jump on a breeding project by picking up the following:
1.0 Bumble Bee
0.1 Bumble Bee
0.1 Lemon Blast
0.1 Mojave

I'll add this to my 1.0 Banana

So here's the question. How concerned should I be about Wobble? None of these are pure Spider, but I have my concerns.

Dave

[BCS]

Whether they are pure spider or not, ALL spider morphs have the wobble. It effects individually. I have a female queen bee who barely has a wobble, my male spider het pied has a bad wobble, but I have seen all different levels o the condition.

The wobble isn't as bad as it may seem. I have noticed that my snakes that have the wobble (woma ball pythons included) that the wobble is only noticeable when they have to lift their heads up or when they climb down and they start to cork screw<--- that is my spider het pied. Those who don't have it as badly, their head will shake <--- that is my queen bee. When their head is level with the ground, you wont even notice the wobble.The good news about this is that it does not effect their feeding. Never have I heard that the wobble was so bad that the snake could not eat.

The wobble in my opinion is not something we really need to worry about.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Spider and their combos wobble, they ALL do to a different degree from hardly noticeable to train wrecks. Train wrecks can produce mild wobbler and vice versa, things such as stress and temps may affect this condition as well.

How concern should you be? The majority of spiders and combos do just fine.

[AKA Dave]

OK. All that works for me. Now, as far as future plans as a hobby breeder do you like these snakes? I know the "breed what you like" rule, and I like the odds of what I can get here, especially with my love of yellow morphs, but I'd like experienced opinions. My other options are:

1.0 visual vpi axanthic
0.1 100% het vpi axanthic

I know these are exactly opposite of what I am looking for, but in the long term offspring need to be marketable. Are these two snakes something that you would consider over the others?

Thanks,

Dave

[Stewart_Reptiles]

1.0 visual vpi axanthic
0.1 100% het vpi axanthic

I know these are exactly opposite of what I am looking for, but in the long term offspring need to be marketable. Are these two snakes something that you would consider over the others?

Thanks,

Dave

Personally I never cared for axanthics just to produce more of them, I did however picked up a male Pastel Axanthic to work into my Pied projects.

Do axanthics sell? I think nice axanthic combos do, plain axanthic will be harder to move just like plain hypo are hard to move however the combos are not.

[Penultimate]

Nice group of snakes. Don't worry too much about wobble. Most don't seem to be very bad, and all of my spiders do just fine. However, you should look up some videos of the wobble on YouTube. That shows you the biggest train wrecks possible. Keep in mind most are nowhere near that level, but you should be aware of what it can look like. Most of my spiders just get a bit excited at feeding time. One shakes his head when he sees a rat, one moves a little strange when she's agitated, one tilts her head and one balls up a little weird. Really more of a strange quirk than a major concern.

Personally, I love bumblebees. I'd add a bit of fire in the mix and make it even better. I think spiders are dramatic enough to appeal to beginners and are a classic in combos... can you tell I really like spider? You have a banana male, so I'd pair that to the mojave. Can't go wrong there in my opinion, though mojave bumblebees are nothing to sneeze at.

I wouldn't get the axanthics. They brown out with age and I'm personally not a fan. I don't really see the point of getting all axanthics and het axanthics out of the clutch anyway... some variety is nice. If I were buying, I would get the spider group. You can get more possibilities there and I think it would be more interesting.

[BCS]

I happen to like axanthics, that is why it is so personal. You may have two customers that you are attempting to sell axanthics to but only one will be interested. It is up to you whether you like it or not. No matter what morph you get, some will be harder to sell then other, especially depending on the demand of the morphs where you are located.

[Izzys Keeper]

Maybe someone else can back me up with this but it's generally accepted that you shouldn't breed spider to spider and therefore spider combo to spider combo. Many believe that it is a fatal combo so you might end up with alot of dead eggs

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[Izzys Keeper]

Maybe someone else can back me up with this but it's generally accepted that you shouldn't breed spider to spider and therefore spider combo to spider combo. Many believe that it is a fatal combo so you might end up with alot of dead eggs

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Just incase that was in your plans with the bumble bees

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[Penultimate]

Maybe someone else can back me up with this but it's generally accepted that you shouldn't breed spider to spider and therefore spider combo to spider combo. Many believe that it is a fatal combo so you might end up with alot of dead eggs

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There's currently no proof of this. It's possible it's lethal as nobody has made a homozygous spider, but it's pretty debatable. I believe OWAL was doing some sort of project trying to figure it out, but I can't quite remember.