Weird hatchling

[Alicia]

Hold on. I don't know much about how this works, but could it have been parthenogenesis? I mean, mom is a cinny. Or do those clutches result in "clones only"?

I had that thought, too. I think it's possible if the resulting baby is missing the normal/functional copy of the same gene that produces the cinnie mutation. So, one copy of the cinnie gene, and the other copy, which should be normal, is either not there, or won't work, so the snake is only left with a working cinnamon gene to tell it what appearance to produce.

Cooking dinner right now, so that's probably a terrible explanation. But one of the hypotheses for some paradoxes is quite similar -- just in the case of such paradoxes, the normal gene is only missing or defunct in sections of the snake, where as this baby is the whole body.

[MS2]

This would be the third case of parthenogenesis I have heard of in the last two weeks......crazy!

[8_Ball]

Looks like a super cinny. Hmm, well that is a very cool reward for the lone survivor of the clutch. My favorite morph. Congrats though, hope you can figure it out or replicate the pairing again

[hanz]

I will absolutely repeat the pairing...and the baby is definitely a hold back.

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[OhhWatALoser]

Breeding the animal will be able to confirm what happened, cool stuff

[DennisM]

This would be the third case of parthenogenesis I have heard of in the last two weeks......crazy!

seems like an unlikely frequency.

the after shed pics from the OP look like silver bullet maybe. it wouldn't explain a super cinny, but it would at least explain why no pastel from a super dad.

[OhhWatALoser]

seems like an unlikely frequency.

the after shed pics from the OP look like silver bullet maybe. it wouldn't explain a super cinny, but it would at least explain why no pastel from a super dad.

if that was the case, it could just be a malfunctioning normal allele, leaving the cinny allele to be expressed all by itself. The hobby calls it the nuller phenomenon.

[DennisM]

Did you see the photo of the dad? Definitely not a pewter. Looks pretty standard for a super pastel, and I can guarantee that he does not have cinnamon or black pastel in him.

I guarantee you that you have a better chance of winning powerball every week for a month than you do of producing a super cinny from a super pastel x pewter pairing. Both our guarantees are worthless! LOL!

[DennisM]

if that was the case, it could just be a malfunctioning normal allele, leaving the cinny allele to be expressed all by itself. The hobby calls it the nuller phenomenon.

yup. so I'm wondering how often this happens. I really have no idea, but I feel like it would be rare.

[Solarsoldier001]

this is pretty crazy! following this thread for sure! congrats on this amazing baby!