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Re: Not looking good.. Deformed hatchlings
 Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001
I honestly don't know what the right way is. But my boyfriend did a ton of research. And called the vets and talk to a lot of breeders. And we ended up doing it in the freezer. The vet said that's the way they do it. Reptiles are cold blooded and when they get cold they fall asleep.
Several scientific studies over the last few years have shown this to be false and freezing has not been considered a humane form of euthanasia for several years. The reptiles become torpid but they don't go to sleep, they feel themselves freeze which is not only very painful, but because they're cold they can't move. Unfortunately a lot of vets haven't gotten the word so the misinformation that freezing is humane continues to spread.
Euthanasia should be as quick and painless as possible for the animal. For a snake you're looking at pithing or totally destroying the brain. It's not surprising that people shy away from it - it's brutal, it can be messy, and it's emotionally difficult to destroy a life that you planned months or even years to create.
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Re: Not looking good.. Deformed hatchlings
Here's the group. There's a very tiny Killer Bee in the boob egg, still alive for now.. A beautiful Bumble Bee died in its egg last night, otherwise it looks like we got two Killer Queen Bees, a Super Pastel Lesser, Spider, and Pastel Lesser? (Or maybe it's just a Pastel Lesser and Lesser)
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Re: Not looking good.. Deformed hatchlings
 Originally Posted by bcr229
Several scientific studies over the last few years have shown this to be false and freezing has not been considered a humane form of euthanasia for several years. The reptiles become torpid but they don't go to sleep, they feel themselves freeze which is not only very painful, but because they're cold they can't move. Unfortunately a lot of vets haven't gotten the word so the misinformation that freezing is humane continues to spread.
Euthanasia should be as quick and painless as possible for the animal. For a snake you're looking at pithing or totally destroying the brain. It's not surprising that people shy away from it - it's brutal, it can be messy, and it's emotionally difficult to destroy a life that you planned months or even years to create.
Not only that, but during freezing their cells explode pretty much. As he said, Pithing is the best way, Unless euthanized by drugs from vet.
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Re: Not looking good.. Deformed hatchlings
Does anyone have instructions on how to pith a snake? I can't find any information on it.. Or would it be easier to use CO2? I'm not sure if that's what rodent breeders use, honestly wasn't prepared for something like this.
Last edited by Galaxygirl; 06-16-2015 at 02:26 PM.
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Re: Not looking good.. Deformed hatchlings
 Originally Posted by Galaxygirl
Does anyone have instructions on how to pith a snake? I can't find any information on it.. Or would it be easier to use CO2? I'm not sure if that's what rodent breeders use, honestly wasn't prepared for something like this.
Hatchlings are pretty simple. Put baby in a folded paper towel then into a sandwich bag, note where head is. It will be still and calm because it is dark and safe in there. Completely smash head with any tool or your thumb. It does not take much to do and the towel should be wet when the job is done well. It is very fast and the hatchlings that I have done this way due to severe kinking and jaw deformaties have gone very fast with nearly no twitching afterwards. Since it is already in a bag, there is no mess or gore to see. It happens, even when you have done everything right.
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Re: Not looking good.. Deformed hatchlings
 Originally Posted by Kibbleswhites
Hatchlings are pretty simple. Put baby in a folded paper towel then into a sandwich bag, note where head is. It will be still and calm because it is dark and safe in there. Completely smash head with any tool or your thumb. It does not take much to do and the towel should be wet when the job is done well. It is very fast and the hatchlings that I have done this way due to severe kinking and jaw deformaties have gone very fast with nearly no twitching afterwards. Since it is already in a bag, there is no mess or gore to see. It happens, even when you have done everything right.
Eugh. Gosh, is there a less brutal way to do it?
Crawling back into the reptile scene once more!
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Re: Not looking good.. Deformed hatchlings
 Originally Posted by Fraido
Eugh. Gosh, is there a less brutal way to do it?
As brutal as it sounds, complete cranial destruction is the most humane way to do it.
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Re: Not looking good.. Deformed hatchlings
 Originally Posted by Fraido
Eugh. Gosh, is there a less brutal way to do it?
When doing at home/emergency euthanasia, the goal is to destroy the brain. You can use a shotgun, a hammer, a screwdriver, an icepick, etc. Unless you're competent in the process, causing broad range damage is your best bet at getting the job done without causing additional pain. I use a pocketknife because I've always got one on me and when I have something that needs to be put down, waiting around isn't doing either of us any favors.
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Re: Not looking good.. Deformed hatchlings
 Originally Posted by Kibbleswhites
Hatchlings are pretty simple. Put baby in a folded paper towel then into a sandwich bag, note where head is. It will be still and calm because it is dark and safe in there. Completely smash head with any tool or your thumb. It does not take much to do and the towel should be wet when the job is done well. It is very fast and the hatchlings that I have done this way due to severe kinking and jaw deformaties have gone very fast with nearly no twitching afterwards. Since it is already in a bag, there is no mess or gore to see. It happens, even when you have done everything right.
How much pressure does it take with your thumb? This is something I hope I don't have to do ever, but I realize I'll probably do it at least once in my life. I even felt a little bad killing some rats with co2 even though the alternative would be feeding them live to a snake (which is a much worse way to go imo). I've read about a hammer and everything but I've hit a few nails before and my aim is not something to brag about. While I'd hate to feel the squish I'd feel better knowing it was done right and done quickly with the animal feeling as little pain as possible.
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Re: Not looking good.. Deformed hatchlings
 Originally Posted by bks2100
How much pressure does it take with your thumb? This is something I hope I don't have to do ever, but I realize I'll probably do it at least once in my life. I even felt a little bad killing some rats with co2 even though the alternative would be feeding them live to a snake (which is a much worse way to go imo). I've read about a hammer and everything but I've hit a few nails before and my aim is not something to brag about. While I'd hate to feel the squish I'd feel better knowing it was done right and done quickly with the animal feeling as little pain as possible.
Like squishing a cherry tomato, strawberry, or palmetto bug, not much at all.
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