Not looking good.. Deformed hatchlings

[Albert Clark]

So, so sorry for the setback with the hatchlings. I really think it was a genetic anomaly of some kind. It sounds like you did everything correctly. Some things with these breeding operations are just out of our control. That is the way you should look at it and don't blame yourself. Best of luck with all your other projects. Stay in peace and not pieces.

[Galaxygirl]

Thanks to everyone for the advice and support.. I suspect all of them are affected as there are only two left I haven't seen yet. One is hiding his face very well in his egg and I suspect he is very shy of his overbite... (trying to make the best of this). I'll at least post a photo of them together once they're all out so everyone can enjoy their beauty. It's been a very bittersweet day..

[ShayInator]

I am so sorry for this! Poor babies, they are very beautiful either way! Pick wisely, and we are here for you! Again, I am really sorry about this, it is not your fault though, and you still hatched some amazing babies.

[Solarsoldier001]

On our first breeding last year. We had seven clutches. Out of those clutches our 4th clutch was a male yellowbelly 100% albino to an albino female. She laid 8 eggs. All eggs were healthy and had viable veins. 20 days into incubation one of the eggs was rotten and died. The other came to day 57 and we cut them. They all appeared healthy. Until I started to noticed their lower jaws just like yours. They all ended up having this deformation. One baby died in the egg. And the 6 others all came out of their eggs. We tried to see if they would feed, but they couldn't. I don't even think that any of them really had tongues. It was probably the hardest clutch I ever had to witness. And even a harder one to make a decision to euthanize. Me and my boyfriend were sad. But I was an emotional sap. I would hold them and love them. But cry at the thought that they would never be able to drink or eat. And that I wouldn't be able to see them grow. My boyfriend called vets to get their opinions. All of them have given him advise on how to euthanize them. We tried to do it but it was hard. We failed the first time because we were weak and thought that maybe there would be a chance they could eat again. But we were wrong. Two other babies died under our watch and they died because we couldn't get them to eat I'm sure. We finally realized how wrong we were and euthanized them the way the vet suggested. It's hard to make that choice since how much we love animals. But we needed to do it the first time and never turned back, because then those babies that suffered would have suffered less pain. Dying from starvation and thirst was terrible. I hope to never have to witness this kind of clutch again. But I know that breeding comes with that territory and we will most likely have to deal with in at some point or another.

There was no incubation errors or peaks. All the other clutches were super healthy. They yellowbelly fathered another clutch and all the babies were wonderful as well.

We believe that either the pairing was bad or the female is not suppose to produce. But it was her first clutch and we don't know the true answers. But I am so very sorry that you had a clutch like this happen to you. My love and thoughts are with you.


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[Galaxygirl]

On our first breeding last year. We had seven clutches. Out of those clutches our 4th clutch was a male yellowbelly 100% albino to an albino female. She laid 8 eggs. All eggs were healthy and had viable veins. 20 days into incubation one of the eggs was rotten and died. The other came to day 57 and we cut them. They all appeared healthy. Until I started to noticed their lower jaws just like yours. They all ended up having this deformation. One baby died in the egg. And the 6 others all came out of their eggs. We tried to see if they would feed, but they couldn't. I don't even think that any of them really had tongues. It was probably the hardest clutch I ever had to witness. And even a harder one to make a decision to euthanize. Me and my boyfriend were sad. But I was an emotional sap. I would hold them and love them. But cry at the thought that they would never be able to drink or eat. And that I wouldn't be able to see them grow. My boyfriend called vets to get their opinions. All of them have given him advise on how to euthanize them. We tried to do it but it was hard. We failed the first time because we were weak and thought that maybe there would be a chance they could eat again. But we were wrong. Two other babies died under our watch and they died because we couldn't get them to eat I'm sure. We finally realized how wrong we were and euthanized them the way the vet suggested. It's hard to make that choice since how much we love animals. But we needed to do it the first time and never turned back, because then those babies that suffered would have suffered less pain. Dying from starvation and thirst was terrible. I hope to never have to witness this kind of clutch again. But I know that breeding comes with that territory and we will most likely have to deal with in at some point or another.

There was no incubation errors or peaks. All the other clutches were super healthy. They yellowbelly fathered another clutch and all the babies were wonderful as well.

We believe that either the pairing was bad or the female is not suppose to produce. But it was her first clutch and we don't know the true answers. But I am so very sorry that you had a clutch like this happen to you. My love and thoughts are with you.


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Thank you for your kind words. I have heard of this being more common with Albinos, but maybe that's just coincidence. The mother to this clutch is supposedly proven before and we got her and the sire from the same breeder. I'm not sure if they were bred together in the past, I will ask and see if I get a reply. Due to the severity of their condition it looks like euthanasia is the only option. I am not sure on what is the best way to euthanize and will have to do some research...

[Solarsoldier001]

Thank you for your kind words. I have heard of this being more common with Albinos, but maybe that's just coincidence. Due to the severity of their condition it looks like euthanasia is the only option. I am not sure on what is the best way to euthanize and will have to do some research...

I honestly don't know what the right way is. But my boyfriend did a ton of research. And called the vets and talk to a lot of breeders. And we ended up doing it in the freezer. The vet said that's the way they do it. Reptiles are cold blooded and when they get cold they fall asleep. They said if we took them there and paid them the $75 for each animal that's what they would have ended up doing. I don't know if that was the right way. But that's the way we ended up doing it. And being in the position we were in and the emotional state we were in. We didn't want them to suffer anymore. I just hope that was the right choice. Either way it's a terrible situation. With difficult decisions


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[anicatgirl]

*hugs* I don't know enough about this situation to offer advice, but my thoughts are with you and with the little ones.

[bcr229]

I honestly don't know what the right way is. But my boyfriend did a ton of research. And called the vets and talk to a lot of breeders. And we ended up doing it in the freezer. The vet said that's the way they do it. Reptiles are cold blooded and when they get cold they fall asleep.

Several scientific studies over the last few years have shown this to be false and freezing has not been considered a humane form of euthanasia for several years. The reptiles become torpid but they don't go to sleep, they feel themselves freeze which is not only very painful, but because they're cold they can't move. Unfortunately a lot of vets haven't gotten the word so the misinformation that freezing is humane continues to spread.

Euthanasia should be as quick and painless as possible for the animal. For a snake you're looking at pithing or totally destroying the brain. It's not surprising that people shy away from it - it's brutal, it can be messy, and it's emotionally difficult to destroy a life that you planned months or even years to create.

[Galaxygirl]

Here's the group. There's a very tiny Killer Bee in the boob egg, still alive for now.. A beautiful Bumble Bee died in its egg last night, otherwise it looks like we got two Killer Queen Bees, a Super Pastel Lesser, Spider, and Pastel Lesser? (Or maybe it's just a Pastel Lesser and Lesser)

[Asherah]

That's really unfortunate, it is a beautiful clutch otherwise. Did they all end up with the same mouth deformity?