Is live feeding really that dangerous?

[John1982]

As far as more time interacting with my snakes, absolutely I want more! Just not on feeding day when they're hungry and primed for dinner haha. I keep interaction on that day to a minimum, only feeding and any other immediate stuff that needs to be addressed like changing out soiled substrate. My girls are curious, rather out going for bps, and have a great feeding response, so I take a couple extra precautions to minimize accidental bites. Interaction is great for me, but the snakes could care less, and really probably do better without it.

It's because the snakes don't particularly enjoy handling that feeding day is one of my favorites. They're honed in on the prey so I get to interact without them paying me much mind. I only have a couple snakes that get "messed" with on any regular basis other than general maintenance and this usually involves me lugging hem outdoors for some exploration enrichment.

[John1982]

I wasn't actively campaigning anything ... To be fair my question was aimed at Debs as she's feeding 250 + live each time and as you're supposed to be watching closely I couldn't see how this was possible - basic math.

Here's my f/t feeding routine:
1) Open enclosure
2) Grab rodent
3) Plop, jiggle, slide, dance, whatever method that snake requires to hit the rodent
4)Close enclosure

Here's my live feeding route:
1) Open enclosure
2) Grab rodent
3) Place rodent in enclosure
4)Close enclosure

The only difference is when I hear the hit on the live I take a couple seconds for a visual check to make sure the grab is clean.

[Zincubus]

So what's the procedure for live feeding ?

Wait around until the rodent is in the jaws or dead or half swallowed. ??

It all seems a bit hazy ... which is why I suspect that some just throw in a live rodent and leave things to go from there ..

[Stewart_Reptiles]

So do you have to watch over each snake until its eaten the prey safely ??

That must take much longer than simply defrosting and offering .

Nope it does not

I open the tub and the rat is snatched immidiately often in mid air without having the time to hit the enclosure ' floor. (That's what solid routine and pre-scenting does)

I also have no issue moving on to the next tub as rats are not those evil creatures that will attack a snake and gnowl on it for the next 5 to 10 min and kill it. (That's what a stress free well fed and hydrated rodent does, just sit in the corner) - All uneaten preys (rare occurance) are removed within 10 min)

Again never had an issue with and ut's not luck 1000's of owner do the same including big breeders, mist people just don't share their experience because for some it's a sensitive issue and they cannot debate it rationally.

I am not promoting live feeding I could not care less what people feed, I answer the questions on live feeding based on MY experience which people who call live feeding reckless and dangerous rarely have (it's based on hearsay and graphic pucture that do not reflect responsible live feeding)

Live is not for everyone but if someone is comtempling it they should get answers based on experience and decide for themselves.

For the record I also feed F/T (All colubrids are fed F/T mice )

[Lizardlicks]

You could pick up one of those mini fridges the college kids use that are like 24" X 24". it wouldn't take up much space and it could be used exclusively for your stuff so the Hubby won't be offended.

I have one but was planning on converting it into an incubator

Plus with two snakes it seems a waste to take up a whole mini fridge just to defrost two rats once a week. I'm sure once the collection grows it'll become more efficient to do it that way, but rn a cup of cold water is plenty.

[Zincubus]

Nope it does not

I open the tub and the rat is snatched immidiately often in mid air without having the time to hit the enclosure ' floor. (That's what solid routine and pre-scenting does)

I also have no issue moving on to the next tub as rats are not those evil creatures that will attack a snake and gnowl on it for the next 5 to 10 min and kill it. (That's what a stress free well fed and hydrated rodent does, just sit in the corner) - All uneaten preys (rare occurance) are removed within 10 min)

Again never had an issue with and ut's not luck 1000's of owner do the same including big breeders, mist people just don't share their experience because for some it's a sensitive issue and they cannot debate it rationally.

I am not promoting live feeding I could not care less what people feed, I answer the questions on live feeding based on MY experience which people who call live feeding reckless and dangerous rarely have (it's based on hearsay and graphic pucture that do not reflect responsible live feeding)

Live is not for everyone but if someone is comtempling it they should get answers based on experience and decide for themselves.

For the record I also feed F/T (All colubrids are fed F/T mice )

To be fair , I don't think anybody believes that rats are ' evil snake assassins ' who will stalk and hunt down the poor snake in the viv . I'd guess that they will try and defend themselves if they're cornered .... I'm sure they don't ALL grab hold on the first strike especially some of the albinos who appear to have slightly dodgy eyesight ..

[Eric Alan]

...especially some of the albinos who appear to have slightly dodgy eyesight ..

I've seen this thought brought up a few times and for some reason there's never further discussion. The albino BP eyesight line of thought, when it comes to striking, is made to be more than it should be. ALL ball pythons have poor eyesight in relation to their other senses. Their eyes help them to navigate their surroundings, but when it comes to hunting their heat pits play a far more important role. Since they primarily emerge from their burrows at night to hunt for their prey, they essentially "see" prey with their heat pits rather than their eyes (both senses are processed in the same part of their brains).

[Zincubus]

I've seen this thought brought up a few times and for some reason there's never further discussion. The albino BP eyesight line of thought, when it comes to striking, is made to be more than it should be. ALL ball pythons have poor eyesight in relation to their other senses. Their eyes help them to navigate their surroundings, but when it comes to hunting their heat pits play a far more important role. Since they primarily emerge from their burrows at night to hunt for their prey, they essentially "see" prey with their heat pits rather than their eyes (both senses are processed in the same part of their brains).

I'm sure you're right although Albino royals have a much poorer strike rate than the non- albinos in my experience - I have a young Pastel Royal who simply NEVER misses

[Eric Alan]

I'm sure you're right although my Albino royals have a much poorer strike rate than the non- albinos in my experience

Maybe you just have some "derpy" albinos!

[Zincubus]

Maybe you just have some "derpy" albinos!

Yeah that's certainly possible although I'm pretty sure all albinos ( inc humans ) have slightly defective vision ...

My Black garter snake will be munching on chunks of fish whilst the three Albino Garters will regularly have their jaws firmly wrapped around the edge of the glass feeding dish . ( I have pix and vids of this strange phenomen ! )