How do you get different variations of albinos

[PitOnTheProwl]

Neither of you are any help. Only the first guy gave me a little information. If you don't have helpful information, please do not bother commenting.

Sorry you got the wrong guy.
I was trying to give you a hand up to further your knowledge.
Anyone can give you a hand out but you still wont know how it came about.
If thats all you want to know then its easy. Breed a visual or het to another visual or het.

[ajmreptiles]

I was wondering how you get this morph if pinstripe is dominant and albino is recessive. Also how could I make more albino pinstripes or albino spiders?

okay there's a lot of information you can find on the internet on how simple recessives work but I'll explain here a little bit, and use your albino pin as an example.

if you want to make more albino pins starting from scratch
breed your albino pin to a normal and you will get out of your clutch 50% normal and 50% pinstripes all of them heterozygous (het) for albino meaning all of the animals are carrying one copy of the albino gene.
the way simple recessives work is that both parents need to be carrying a copy of that gene to produce a visual expression, in this case albinism.

so you breed an albino to a pinstripe het albino and you will get
25% het albino
25% pin het albino
25% albino
25% albino pin

hope this helps, but as stated in previous posts there is a ton of information involving genetic mutations in this hobby and I am by no means an expert but there's always something new to learn and a lot of the members here have a wealth of knowledge and a lot of it is posted here in one place or another. Its up to you to put forth the effort in seeking it out

[berriosderick]

This.

Now that said, some people have problems learning simply by reading an explanation. So, if you would prefer to learn by doing, go play for a while:
http://worldofballpythons.com/wizard

Understanding basic mendelian genetics is imperative if you want to be knowledgeable in this hobby. If you can understand recessive, dominant, co-dominant interactions then you can apply it to any morph you come across.

Also, having a better attitude towards those of us that spend our free time helping you understand is usually your best bet.

I would call advising you to read in order to understand the hobby your in to probably be the best advice someone could give you.

The recommendation to further your own education in this hobby is quite possibly the best and most helpful advice given in this thread. There is a lot of information available to you if you are willing to look for it.

That is the exact reason why I joined this forum 🔫 so I could read and learn what I need to know before I go on breeding without any knowledge. Telling me to read didn't really answer my particular question. Reading about genetics in general does not necessarily help me with my original question.

Ok. Here you go. Im going to use the term allele, which essentially is a variant of a specific gene. The genes that control the pinstripe morph and albino morph are distinct genes that remain at different loci or locations on chromosomes. They act independently of one another. The recessive character of the albino trait means that to get the albino morphology, the snake must inherit TWO recessive alleles. This means that the allele from mom and dad for JUST this trait are both recessive in nature. Now for the pinstripe morph, this is a separate gene that is likely on a whole different chromosome altogether. For a dominant trait such as pinstripe, you only need ONE of the dominant alleles to phenotypically show the pinstripe trait. These two genes have no interplay between one another, and are not linked or inherited together. So if you want a pinstripe albino you need ONE dominant pinstripe allele, and TWO recessive albino alleles. A good analogy is hair and eye color in people. You can have people with blue eyes and blonde hair, blue eyes and red hair, blue eyes and brown hair. The two genes don't interact but produce vastly different phenotypic results when considering the organism and its genome as a WHOLE.

This was very helpful, I do know how punnet squares and alleles work, I was just stumped

[berriosderick]

okay there's a lot of information you can find on the internet on how simple recessives work but I'll explain here a little bit, and use your albino pin as an example.

if you want to make more albino pins starting from scratch
breed your albino pin to a normal and you will get out of your clutch 50% normal and 50% pinstripes all of them heterozygous (het) for albino meaning all of the animals are carrying one copy of the albino gene.
the way simple recessives work is that both parents need to be carrying a copy of that gene to produce a visual expression, in this case albinism.

so you breed an albino to a pinstripe het albino and you will get
25% het albino
25% pin het albino
25% albino
25% albino pin

hope this helps, but as stated in previous posts there is a ton of information involving genetic mutations in this hobby and I am by no means an expert but there's always something new to learn and a lot of the members here have a wealth of knowledge and a lot of it is posted here in one place or another. Its up to you to put forth the effort in seeking it out

THANK YOU SO MUCH this was pretty much exactly what I was looking for. You gave me examples and percentages. Exactly what I was looking for

[Eric Alan]

Here is a stickied thread from this site in the BP Morphs & Genetics subforum that is now only one click away for you: A Lesson in Basic Genetics.

As Pit said, if all you wanted was your question answered, we've already done that. If you want to know were that answer came from, we'll need your help.

[Asherah]

Funny how that reading thing doesn't expand knowledge, because general reading about genetics does in fact answer your original question... if you actually cared to read about it.

[JoshSloane]

Its all good. Once you get the hang of it, you will understand what we mean. Punnet squares are a good way to visualize the frequency of occurrence of a trait. One important point to realize is that the punnet square doesn't give you an exact percentage of how many offspring in a clutch will express a certain phenotype. Rather, it gives you the statistical chance that a certain allele is going to be paired with another allele in every fertilization. So in the case of breeding two BPs het for albino, both the male and female each produce sex cells that half contain the recessive gene, and half that contain the dominant form of the gene. Said another way, each parent snake has a 50% chance of passing on the recessive albino allele when each egg is fertilized. However, for the hatchlings to be albino they must have both a recessive gene from mom and dad snakes. So the statistical probability of both mom and dad passing on the recessive allele is 50% x 50% = 25%. Given a statistically large enough population, the occurrence of albino would trend towards 25%. But in smaller numbers, like those for BP clutches, sometimes the statistics don't completely pan out. You could get lucky and get all albinos, or none.

[paulh]

A ball python has 18 pairs of chromosomes. That averages out to over 1000 gene pairs per chromosome pair. The pinstripe mutant gene is in one gene pair. The albino mutant gene is in a totally different gene pair. Very likely those two gene pairs are in different chromosomes.

Useful references:

http://www.redtailboas.com/f115/no-f...s-guide-53782/
While the examples are for boa constrictors, the principles are the same for ball pythons, mice, fruit flies, maize plants, etc.

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/handbook

http://www.gutenberg.org/ and look for R. C. Punnett's text, Mendelism. The theory is out of date, but he gives a lot of examples.

And you can do a web search for "law of independent assortment"

[anicatgirl]

Man oh man.... You've got a lot of reading ahead of you. I don't say this to be mean so much as this... If you want to be in this hobby and you're going to be both good at it and good for your reptiles, you are ALWAYS going to be reading and learning. I do research anytime I don't understand something. People giving you the answers will get you that info faster maybe, but perhaps not provide the context you will need to relate to said information.

PS Be nice to the people offering help, they mean the best for you and any animals you may have. You will get a lot further with folks on here that way

[noelle429]

Man oh man.... You've got a lot of reading ahead of you. I don't say this to be mean so much as this... If you want to be in this hobby and you're going to be both good at it and good for your reptiles, you are ALWAYS going to be reading and learning. I do research anytime I don't understand something. People giving you the answers will get you that info faster maybe, but perhaps not provide the context you will need to relate to said information.

PS Be nice to the people offering help, they mean the best for you and any animals you may have. You will get a lot further with folks on here that way

Very well said, no need to be rude to people that are taking the time to help you out