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    Need some help and advice.

    So my ball python just finished shedding last week. I tried to feed him while he shedded but he didn't eat. I only offer him food once a week so I would expect him to be hungry so I tried to feed him today but he still wouldn't eat. I feed him f/t every other week and the weeks between I feed him live but it has been really cold weather outside with all the rain and stuff and I forgot that my window was open at night so he probably got really cold at night (my fault ).. But when I take him out to feed him I make sure he isn't cold and he is warm but could that affect his feeding if he is cold at night? He had a good shed also.

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    Need some help and advice.

    I'm surprised with all of these inconsistencies that you have had the past success that you have. I'm not hacking on ya, just making an observation.

    First off, if he is taking F/T, don't confuse him or spoil him by switching to live every other week. What is the reasoning to that? And if you are going to feed live, what is the reasoning to feeding F/T?

    As to the temps, you answered your own question.

    As to moving him for feeding, that is Not necessary, you are actually lowering your chances of a successful feed by increasing stress on the snake.

    Feeding in his enclosure will not make him more aggressive.

    Last edited by Reinz; 06-03-2015 at 12:37 AM.
    The one thing I found that you can count on about Balls is that they are consistent about their inconsistentcy.

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    Pretty much what Reinz said. It's hard enough to get some to do f/t without making it confusing. And they aren't inclined to tank aggression, so don't worry about moving for feeding. How are you heating the tank...?
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    Re: Need some help and advice.

    In my personal experience ball pythons can experience tank aggression, though with this past owner it could have been for many reasons as well as the feeding in the enclosure. I've always moved my snakes to eat and never had an issue, but again that's not for everyone.
    Also not all balls like to eat while they're shedding, though I find they'll normally eat after their eyecaps have gone.
    Do you have a heatmat or bulb to keep him warm, if not you may want to invest in one

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    Re: Need some help and advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanouri View Post
    In my personal experience ball pythons can experience tank aggression, though with this past owner it could have been for many reasons as well as the feeding in the enclosure.
    WoW let me jack this thread as all issues for the original poster have been addressed.
    Moving your ball from tub to tub is only adding unneeded stress in that snakes life. I dont know your experience level but I would bet your collection isnt that large to justify your assumptions and your ability to be able to have multiple feeding containers.
    I have yet to have a ball be cage aggressive unless ther is a rat heading into their tub.

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    Tank aggression is a myth. If you're going into the enclosure enough to do basic maintenance, the snake won't automatically associate the lid coming off with food.

    What is your setup like? Temps, humidity? It sounds like there are a lot of inconsistencies there that could cause the snake not to eat.
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    Re: Need some help and advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl View Post
    WoW let me jack this thread as all issues for the original poster have been addressed.
    Moving your ball from tub to tub is only adding unneeded stress in that snakes life. I dont know your experience level but I would bet your collection isnt that large to justify your assumptions and your ability to be able to have multiple feeding containers.
    I have yet to have a ball be cage aggressive unless ther is a rat heading into their tub.
    I've yet to have an issue moving my snakes, your opinion is cool and all but it won't change how I raise my reptiles. I do not have a large collection but experience is not based on how many snakes you have at one time.
    I was stating an experience I had with tank aggression, just because you've never had it happen with yours doesn't mean it never happens with any snakes.
    I don't really appreciate being attacked for how I raise my snakes, if you have a general concern over my snakes' saftey you could politely bring it up in a private message. Thanks!

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    People who have kept more snakes than you, longer than you, and especially those who keep large constrictors have confirmed that tank aggression is a myth, and the consensus in the hobby is that in-tank feeding is safer for the hobbyist (and as a by-product, nervous and sensitive snakes are more likely to eat in their own enclosure). You are giving information based on what seems to be pretty limited experience, and it is incorrect information. The OP deserves to know that the consensus in the hobby is that in-cage feeding is the way to go, and moving to a feed tank is unnecessary.

    No offense, but your experience seems to be somewhat limited in time, research, and number of animals kept (and yes, number of animals kept does have some bearing on experience). I'm guessing by context in your other posts, but you're in high school correct? You would do well to actually listen to people on here and read through some past threads to see what people who have been keeping BPs longer than you've been alive have to say about certain topics.
    Not everything everyone expresses is an 'opinion'; much of the time it is based on extensive research and experience.
    Also, to be clear, I'm not talking about myself. I would consider myself quite knowledgeable with some of the species I keep, but I'm relatively new to BPs. None of the information I've given in this thread is based solely on my own experience, but from research, and the advice of others who have decades of experience keeping BPs and other constrictors.

    EDIT: Reading comprehension fail. My page refreshed with your reply, but I didn't notice Pit had also replied and assumed you were replying to my post.
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    Re: Need some help and advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanouri View Post
    I've yet to have an issue moving my snakes, your opinion is cool and all but it won't change how I raise my reptiles. I do not have a large collection but experience is not based on how many snakes you have at one time.
    I was stating an experience I had with tank aggression, just because you've never had it happen with yours doesn't mean it never happens with any snakes.
    I don't really appreciate being attacked for how I raise my snakes, if you have a general concern over my snakes' saftey you could politely bring it up in a private message. Thanks!
    I don't do private and I wasn't attacking you.
    I also never said experience comes with the size of your collection, I said IF you had a sizeable collection you wouldn't have the time to move them.
    As far as moving them to feed with someone that is ALREADY having feeding issues, that is bad advice no matter how you look at it.

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    Re: Need some help and advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVirginiana View Post
    People who have kept more snakes than you, longer than you, and especially those who keep large constrictors have confirmed that tank aggression is a myth, and the consensus in the hobby is that in-tank feeding is safer for the hobbyist (and as a by-product, nervous and sensitive snakes are more likely to eat in their own enclosure). You are giving information based on what seems to be pretty limited experience, and it is incorrect information. The OP deserves to know that the consensus in the hobby is that in-cage feeding is the way to go, and moving to a feed tank is unnecessary.

    No offense, but your experience seems to be somewhat limited in time, research, and number of animals kept (and yes, number of animals kept does have some bearing on experience). I'm guessing by context in your other posts, but you're in high school correct? You would do well to actually listen to people on here and read through some past threads to see what people who have been keeping BPs longer than you've been alive have to say about certain topics.
    Not everything everyone expresses is an 'opinion'; much of the time it is based on extensive research and experience.
    Also, to be clear, I'm not talking about myself. I would consider myself quite knowledgeable with some of the species I keep, but I'm relatively new to BPs. None of the information I've given in this thread is based solely on my own experience, but from research, and the advice of others who have decades of experience keeping BPs and other constrictors.

    EDIT: Reading comprehension fail. My page refreshed with your reply, but I didn't notice Pit had also replied and assumed you were replying to my post.
    I'm a bit older than you give me credit for. I may have less experience but I do what works best for my snakes and I. I've never ever had an issue with feeding in a seperate enclosure, but I have heard of people who do. I did say in my original post that it wasn't for everyone. The one experience I had where someone fed the snake inside the tank, the snake developed aggresion. This could have been caused by a multitude of factors, but I call it "tank aggresion" because he would only strike when he was in the enclosure. After he was removed, he became more sociable and never bit. I may have limited experience but it is still my experience and I will apply it until there is an issue.

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