The Live vs F/T debate

[PitOnTheProwl]

Just to add a little balance to proceedings , anyone checking my profile will see that out of about 300+ posts I've made in here ...... there are roughly 60 THANKS plus about 5 RED " thumbs down " ones . The red ones were all in theese LIVE feeding threads which is telling in itself .

Could that be because we have to continually remind you that you should not speak on a subject YOU know nothing about other than Google?

[Daigga]

I got worried once the rats started having claws and scratched my bp in the face. So i started putting them in a bag and SLAMMING THEM AGAINST THE WALL. Yeah, it gave me the chills yhe first couple times but so does nature and life as we currently understand it. CHOO CHOO, BABY.

This train needs to come off the tracks.

Cruelty to feeders is not acceptable, and improper euthanasia is definitely cruel. A proper live feeding results in a quick and easy death with little or no danger to a snake; a stunned feeder is both wildly inhumane and an unnecessary risk to the snake (those feeders come out of a stun scared and in defend mode, the danger is real). I'll advocate feeding live, f/t, f/k, but never stunned.

[Zincubus]

Could that be because we have to continually remind you that you should not speak on a subject YOU know nothing about other than Google?

It means that FIVE people didn't like what I have posted on the LIVE feeding threads last night but another 60 other people have liked something I've written in all the other threads over the last few months or so.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

It means that FIVE people didn't like what I have posted on the LIVE feeding threads last night but another 60 other people have liked something I've written in all the other threads over the last few months or so.

Right , as I promised before .... I'm done in these LIVE feeding threads and won't contribute to any other LIVE feeding threads in the future . I'll never understand why you guys feed LIVE but that's life .


Just to add a little balance to proceedings , anyone checking my profile will see that out of about 300+ posts I've made in here ...... there are roughly 60 THANKS plus about 5 RED " thumbs down " ones . The red ones were all in theese LIVE feeding threads which is telling in itself .

Anyways , apologies to anyone I may have inadvertently annoyed or insulted . If that has occurred I can only say that it was unintentional .

Trust me your rep point have nothing to do with you feeding practices, and everything to do with your “I am better than you attitude” and putting other people’s choices down.

I bet if you were a little more tolerant you would not run into this type of issues.

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[Jhill001]

Yes you are the only person who feels bad when they step on a snail. That's dumb. Go for a hike you kill all manner of little critters and plants just walking a path, do you just cry the whole time?

An animal is going to die in order to feed your snake. This is a fact.

If you raise rodents yourself you have three options, fresh killed, kill and freeze, or live.

In my opinion there is no difference between feeding fresh killed and frozen thawed. The only difference is that you can get frozen thawed at the store. Since OP didn't answer my question about fresh killed I have to assume his issue is not live vs dead but he doesn't want to kill anything or see it die.

That's fine and its a choice anyone has, but don't act morally superior.

[Zincubus]

Trust me your rep point have nothing to do with you feeding practices, and everything to do with your “I am better than you attitude” and putting other people’s choices down.

I bet if you were a little more tolerant you would not run into this type of issues.

BTW this is the last post on the subject of rep point because this is not the place if you are compelled to address/complain about rep point you MUST do so here http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ion-Discussion if not any additional comments regarding rep points WILL BE DELETED

I've no idea why your being so tetchy about my last post .... I was simply apologising to whoever and highlighting the fact that I have ten times more positive thanks than the few negatives I'd received plus the negatives were understandably over the last 24 hours in connection with the LIVE feeding threads .. I was not complaining about anything .

[Skiploder]

Remember this? Remember when you last threatened to stop posting?

Remember the reason why?

It's really not a case of thinking people are being mean to me it's more a case of noticing that many members just don't seem to be very tolerant of others viewpoints and they seem kinda blinkered - as if their way is the only way and any other option is simply wrong or stupid and word their replies to that effect . I disagree with many things I've read but I'd never just write down that someone has been talking nonsense . I'd maybe offer an alternative option but add that it was simply my opinion .

Maybe it's just a cultural difference ?!

I've often thought that the word "irony" comes from the fact that irony sometimes feels like an iron bar hitting you in the face. People being mean to you, people not tolerant of your viewpoints, their way being the only way....ironic and prophetic. Less than three months later, here you spend 11 pages defending statements that fit the very thing you were lamenting.

[AmandaJ]

I used to think feeding f/t was morally superior back before I had snakes, and probably when I first had them as well. That all came crashing down around me when my then-baby BCI wouldn't eat f/t to save his life. Literally.

It's amazing how okay I got with feeding live in that particular instance, and after that I paid WAY more attention to what people with more experience in this hobby have done with regard to feeding, both live and f/t. Feeding live can be done well, and from my observation most on these forums who feed live do exactly that.

All my snakes currently eat f/t and I'm honestly grateful for that, because I'm a total pansy and I already apologize to the frozen food as I'm defrosting it; I can't imagine my freakout level if I had to feed live. But if I needed to do it for one of my guys to survive, I'd absolutely go there, and I'd be darned grateful for the expertise of the posters here for giving me the knowledge to do so in a safe and humane fashion.

[Reinz]

Remember this? Remember when you last threatened to stop posting?

Remember the reason why?



I've often thought that the word "irony" comes from the fact that irony sometimes feels like an iron bar hitting you in the face. People being mean to you, people not tolerant of your viewpoints, their way being the only way....ironic and prophetic. Less than three months later, here you spend 11 pages defending statements that fit the very thing you were lamenting.

That was Zinc's post I refered to many pages back. And why I suggested that he may stirring the pot since we had settled the issue 3 months ago.

[MS2]

The F/T rats were alive at one point, then someone had to kill them, correct? Do they comfort and tuck them in at night before they kill them? I raise my own rats and they are cared for very well until feeding time.....THEN I FEED LIVE. I have tried F/T before and to me it's a big hassle. Live is my choice, but it's not for everyone.