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    Re: I am here to stay

    On Monday USARK will be filing an amendment to their lawsuit to include the four species added today, and then it will be filing an injunction against FWS to prohibit enforcement of the regulation of the additional four species until the lawsuit has concluded. Hopefully the judge will sign off on the injunction.

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    I feel like if big chain pet stores like petco or pets plus sold retics and burms like they did boas, then some snakes on the ban would be off the list

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    Re: I am here to stay

    I only just ot into this community and dont even have my first ball, but this is terrible, ive seen so many videos and herd so many people post on forums about how beautiful these animals are and it brings me to the brink of tears.. this cannot be about florida and its realeases, it just isnt, if it was then they would put more laws in regulation to that, no they dont want us to have these creatures, they want to starve the market of them and make it so that the recent generations are going to be the last... and i dont understand, all i can see is a ball curling up on my neck from when a breeder came to my school and showed us all of these beautiful creatures, and countless videos of people adoring their huge pets.. it just dosnt make sense to me.. why does it need to be a law like this?.. idk, i dont know if this even goes with the forum, its just deeply depressing and a plague of sorts..

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    Re: I am here to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by xyzpdq75 View Post
    I only just ot into this community and dont even have my first ball, but this is terrible, ive seen so many videos and herd so many people post on forums about how beautiful these animals are and it brings me to the brink of tears.. this cannot be about florida and its realeases, it just isnt, if it was then they would put more laws in regulation to that, no they dont want us to have these creatures, they want to starve the market of them and make it so that the recent generations are going to be the last... and i dont understand, all i can see is a ball curling up on my neck from when a breeder came to my school and showed us all of these beautiful creatures, and countless videos of people adoring their huge pets.. it just dosnt make sense to me.. why does it need to be a law like this?.. idk, i dont know if this even goes with the forum, its just deeply depressing and a plague of sorts..
    In a way it is and it isn't. Animal rights activists like HSUS took what was a isolated and contained issue only to the Everglades region of south Florida(which Florida already dealt with) and used some hypothetical and poorly thought out science that stated that in a 100 years I believe it was, that the climate would change in such a way that the wild Burmese pythons in the Everglades could migrate as for north as New Jersey to say that we should ban all constrictors.

    To the OP: I commend you spirit and dedication to your animals
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    Yeah, this has been nailed on the head - its about the team with the deepest wallets, and the hundreds of thousands that the community has raised since 2012 with the legal fund for USARK, it is still not enough to keep our animals safe when operations like HSUS and PETA are turning over potentially millions via lobbyist to get these bills passed and persuade people like the USFWS to accept poor science as actual fact. This day will not go unforgotten. Many of us fought illness over the verdict. My fiance and I set on the couch and watched the live videos from the event posted by Matt on the retic nation, and cried as our rights, our dreams, were being hindered (Hindered - but not destroyed).

    There is still hope. Wishing I could make it to NARBA up in chicago next weekend. It's going to be the last hoorah for the retic community if the last resort fails from USARK.

    To keep things positive - I shot some fresh images to remind myself, and others, what we are working hard to protect.


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    Tics are so cool and awesome. It's a shame that ignorance and prejudice is strangling them.

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    Re: I am here to stay

    It won't stand, we as a community will stand up and get this repealed. This is America where we are supposed to have the right to pursue our happiness I honestly believe that this ban is unconstitutional and hopefully someone with more legal experience than me can prove it. From what I've read the lacey act doesn't even actually ban the interstate transportation of said species across state lines. Just the importation from overseas and the exportation to Hawaii. I'll find that link when I get home and post it. I think it was on usarks page but I'm not sure.

    Sent from my snake room

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    Re: I am here to stay

    I'm military and just might have to move one day. I can't fathom letting go of my retics. I have even arranged to pay 800 dollars just so there taken care of when I have month long duties out of state.
    I sold my burm just because of the Lacy act. Now I'm going to feel like I'm a drug smuggler if I want them to move with me if I get ordered somewhere else. How on earth did we lose some basic
    freedoms?? Three combat tours and I come home to this???

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    This is a sad day. I feel for you guys. I totally freaked the day before the ruling when it was leaked by the miami herald and I thought that boas would be on the list too... I own 2, so was just overwhelmed by loosing my plans to own different morphs, different locals... All that would be taken away. Although I am glad that boas were not added, I hate to see any species added to this monstrosity,

    I am in no position to give anyone advice, but if I were in your shoes, and wanting to breed, I would acquire any animals with genes that you want to use before the ban takes effect... Maybe network with other keepers in your state and see what genes they have so that you can preserve those in your state.

    This is horrible and is an injustice to good people that just want to enjoy their hobby... Typical of a government that is too centralized and too big... They need to invent more problems as justification for growing larger and getting more funds and care nothing about the lives of those they have to trample on the way. This is not the US of the past.

    I hope USARK is successful... For your sake and for every keeper of every species out there. I am so sorry this has happened.
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    Re: I am here to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by artgecko View Post
    I am in no position to give anyone advice, but if I were in your shoes, and wanting to breed, I would acquire any animals with genes that you want to use before the ban takes effect... Maybe network with other keepers in your state and see what genes they have so that you can preserve those in your state.
    That is being done to an extent, but with some of the newer genes there simply may not be enough animals available to get a pair or even one into each state.
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