what a genetics gaurantee should look like

[andyroof1979]

I just picked up a pastel het og female. I know the breeder.

She came with a genetics guarantee and i figured I'd share what should come with a quality animal.

I know this person and don't need the piece of paper, her word is good, however when dealing with unknown people this is something to look for.

[andyroof1979]

Not sure if this is in the right place, may belong in general discussion or breeding, mods feel free to move

[John1982]

You saying crooks can't format a page, print it and sign their name? It's a nice thing to have for your personal records I suppose but a printout doesn't earn a seller trust or distrust in my book - their past and present actions do. The paper only has as much integrity as the person who made it, no more, no less.

[MarkS]

They're only worth the paper their printed on (well, not entirely, they're also worth the reputation of the breeder) I know several instances of people spending good money on a het WITH impressive looking paperwork and never producing the morph.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Paperwork is only as good as the breeder that provides it.

Anyone with a computer and a camera can provide paperwork including unknown people.

I provide paperwork not really to prove anything but because I know it is easier for my customers to be able to re-sell their animals.

99% of the hets I have bought did not come with paperwork, the only one that I did buy (a long long time ago) and that came with paperwork never proved....go figure

Let's face it no one will jeopardize their rep for a $100 animal, het scams were big back in the day when hets were pretty pennies not anymore.

[Albert Clark]

Andy, that paperwork looks concise and official like whoever printed it and kept the records did a efficient job. If you want a guarantee on your het choices speak to Garrick Demeyer of Royal Constrictors.com . He is friendly and will back up all of his hets! As will most of the big time breeders ie; Ralph Davis, Peter Kahl, etc. Good Luck and enjoy your hets! Stay in piece and not pieces. A.C.

[C2tcardin]

I base my decisions on the person not the papers the snake comes with, as a result I think only my snakes I got from Justin Kobylka actually came with documents. Which is cool because Justin is great and I trust him 100% so the papers had nothing to do with my decision but was a nice touch. With the exception of my Butter that I got from NERD all my other animals came from guys I met and talked to and snakes I could handle and inspect before buying.

[andyroof1979]

You saying crooks can't format a page, print it and sign their name? It's a nice thing to have for your personal records I suppose but a printout doesn't earn a seller trust or distrust in my book - their past and present actions do. The paper only has as much integrity as the person who made it, no more, no less.

They're only worth the paper their printed on (well, not entirely, they're also worth the reputation of the breeder) I know several instances of people spending good money on a het WITH impressive looking paperwork and never producing the morph.

Paperwork is only as good as the breeder that provides it.

Anyone with a computer and a camera can provide paperwork including unknown people.

I provide paperwork not really to prove anything but because I know it is easier for my customers to be able to re-sell their animals.

99% of the hets I have bought did not come with paperwork, the only one that I did buy (a long long time ago) and that came with paperwork never proved....go figure

Let's face it no one will jeopardize their rep for a $100 animal, het scams were big back in the day when hets were pretty pennies not anymore.

Andy, that paperwork looks concise and official like whoever printed it and kept the records did a efficient job. If you want a guarantee on your het choices speak to Garrick Demeyer of Royal Constrictors.com . He is friendly and will back up all of his hets! As will most of the big time breeders ie; Ralph Davis, Peter Kahl, etc. Good Luck and enjoy your hets! Stay in piece and not pieces. A.C.

I base my decisions on the person not the papers the snake comes with, as a result I think only my snakes I got from Justin Kobylka actually came with documents. Which is cool because Justin is great and I trust him 100% so the papers had nothing to do with my decision but was a nice touch. With the exception of my Butter that I got from NERD all my other animals came from guys I met and talked to and snakes I could handle and inspect before buying.

I am aware of the fact anybody can do this, but it is typically to much work for scamming. I usually by my animals from people i know or they know.

Paperwork gives the seller points in my book.
I only posted this because i have seen people ask what one should contain. No soapboxes required here.

[andyroof1979]

I repeat...

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I know this person and don't need the piece of paper, her word is good, however when dealing with unknown people this is something to look for.

seems like a lot of people on this forum read the first 2 lines of a post and glance at a picture then start preaching. Lighten up a little

[Tigerhawk]

I think the paper work and pictures are a nice touch. It also protects the seller as well. For instance some one buys a 100% het pied from me. A few years later they say they are unhappy because she did not prove out and they want me to make it right. Well if you have a picture of the snake. You can verify that it is the one that you sold them. And that they are not trying to get over on you with a normal that's not het. Then you have several things that you can do. I do like to buy snakes, that come with some sort of records. Feeding etc. As it shows that the breeder is detailed to some degree with his or her reptiles.