Average Price List?

[Kata]

I see what your all saying about not being able to keep up with a price list.

As for breeding, I am new to BP's .. got my girl about 6 months ago and she was my first. I admit that I do want another but for the sake of having them because i find them so fascinating and honestly love chilling with them. However I really have no urge to breed lol.

My son wants an albino and I think once I find the right one it will be the last for me *crosses my fingers*

[bcr229]

As a community we need to slow down breeding.

Breeding will slow down naturally as prices drop. The same holds true in other industries also - you can't avoid the supply/demand/price curve.

This is why the answer to "What should I breed" is always "Breed what you like, because you will probably end up keeping it."

[KING JAMES]

Honestly I cant wait to see the bottom drop the rest of the way out of the bp market. Prices keep going down and people will eventually realize that bps are not a good get rich quick scheme. Its doing the same thing the corn market did a few years back, once it tanks it will right itself.

I started typing this and came back to realize this was just a rambling almost incoherent story but I liked it anyway...read at your own risk
*spelling and punctuation nightmare ahead*

We are a self feeding circle, it really is quite amazing to step back and look at.
-Person A is going to buy one snake x for $1000 so he can breed it and sell two of them to Mr. Soandso for $650 each (gonna make $300, nice gonna use that money to get a rack to get more snakes to sell).

-MrSoandso is buying two from person A for $500 (he talked you down it was a group deal, you broke even but next year it will be all profit) to breed them and sell 4 of them to Ms. Ssoandso for $200 each.

-Ms. Soandso is buying those four from Mr. Soandso for $400 (hey the market it tight, Person A was selling his snakes cheap this year to try and make some money, prices have dropped, atleast Mr Soandso came close to getting his money back. Next year he will make a profit though. Just gotta reinvest that $400 into a new snake) She is going to breed them to sell for $50 each, there is no buyer lined up yet but at that price they are sure to sell.

-Now PersonA Mr. Soandso, and Ms. Soandso realize that this morph is not gonna make enough money to justify breeding (after all feed, heating, time mean snakes cost money...the initial purchase is not all you have to pay) They all decide to sell their snakes, in walks new guy Y He is gonna be rich...gonna be the next big name in snake breeding. He buys all the snakes he can get, he ends up with 20 of snake morph x...yeah gonna have all kinds of babies next year...gonna be rich. He ends up with 120 babies the next year that no one wants. What happens to those babies?

[JMBall's]

As a community we need to slow down breeding. This isn't a game. They're animals that need to be taken care of. The reason Ball Pythons are so cheap is because everyone and their mother wants to breed Ball Pythons. Most people don't even breed good combos. Most things I see on here is this: " I'm going to buy 5 double gene snakes and then breed them to my 3 normals". Seriously??? Then the same person who can't handle having all the hatchlings either sells them at rock bottom price or give them away. And people actually encourage breeding! Come on...

Personally, I think it's quite ridiculous how people barely begin to understand how to take care of Ball Pythons and right away try to breed them. With cats and dogs, they breed by themselves because they're not neutered or spayed. I don't see Ball Pythons breeding on the streets of California like rabbits.

As you see this is a HOT issue for me. It's one of my biggest pet peeves on this forum when I see someone who barely just got into the hobby asking how many snakes they should buy to breed. :/ Can't people enjoy their pets without breeding? Or even at least wait until you know how to properly care for the animal.

I've been in this hobby for 3 years (which is nothing by the way) and I'm barely deciding if I want to breed or not. I'm not saying It's wrong, but at least be responsible about it. Don't breed a crap load of animals if you can't afford it because these are living things and they need to be cared for. Doesn't matter whether it's Normal or a 10K BP. Also, if you want to breed as a hobby, keep a couple of animals and make sure you actually in it for the log haul. I see this phrase all the time "BPs are like Pringles". Well what happens when you get tired of eating Pringles? How many for sale threads are on here where people are "reducing" their collection or getting rid of the whole thing all together because "they don't have time"?

My rant is pretty much over. I'm just saying that if you are thinking about breeding think twice about it. These aren't stamps or Pokemon. You can't catch them all. These animals live 20+ years. That's a hell of a commitment for ANYONE to make. Most people get bored with hobbies after a few month or years or something changes in their life and then the animals they have suffer being neglected or end up on craig's list.

Exactly. I got my first bp in 1989. I'm almost 35 now and just now deciding to get into breeding. It's been something that I've dreamed of since I was 15. I see nothing wrong with doing something you love and trying to make a living/break if done responsibly. Generally speaking it's not the guys like Wilbanks, NERD or BHB that drive prices down. They are savvy businessmen who don't want to see these price drops and understand supply and demand. I looked on BHB's site and they have like 6 banana combos for sale. It's the dumb trust fund kid who heard bp's are money making machines went out and bought 2 banana males and paired them each to 10 females. Then got bored or realized they didn't have the time, knowledge, or reputation to take care or sell at market prices and dump them. I guess they skipped economics 101! It's an easy concept....supply up, prices down; supply down, prices up!

[bcr229]

He ends up with 120 babies the next year that no one wants. What happens to those babies?

Well, Eastern Indigos, King Cobras, and monitor lizards gotta eat too...

And before getting upset about that statement, as yourself, where are all of the desert & desert combo females? You can find males for sale.

[JMBall's]

Well, Eastern Indigos, King Cobras, and monitor lizards gotta eat too...

And before getting upset about that statement, as yourself, where are all of the desert & desert combo females? You can find males for sale.

Desert females don't lay viable eggs. If you find a female for sale the seller usually states that it's for pet purposes only.

[KING JAMES]

Well, Eastern Indigos, King Cobras, and monitor lizards gotta eat too...

And before getting upset about that statement, as yourself, where are all of the desert & desert combo females? You can find males for sale.

LOL it would take a lot more than that to upset me, feeders are feeders and I have no problem with that, I think I have even stated before that snakes no one wants are the reason I keep a big king. I just dont like thinking about the ones that are going to die slow due to neglect. Deserts, thats a whole nother game for me...I am keeping myself out of it but I do believe that certain desert combos are perfectly fine, its just the base morph that causes issues.

[bcr229]

Desert females don't lay viable eggs. If you find a female for sale the seller usually states that it's for pet purposes only.

That was my point. You very rarely see a female desert or desert combo for sale, even with the pet-only qualification, but you can find males. Theoretically there should be about the same number of females on the market. Since there aren't, where do they go?

[JMBall's]

That was my point. You very rarely see a female desert or desert combo for sale, even with the pet-only qualification, but you can find males. Theoretically there should be about the same number of females on the market. Since there aren't, where do they go?

Same place the panda pied's went I think. Either kept because of minor kinking issues or culled. People have been trying for those like crazy...you can find plenty of black pastel pieds for sale but only a couple of pandas have ever been "produced?" Me thinks not! Only a few have been "released."

[OhhWatALoser]

Deserts, thats a whole nother game for me...I am keeping myself out of it but I do believe that certain desert combos are perfectly fine, its just the base morph that causes issues.

what evidence would point to that?

I also find it interesting how off topic this got