Not Able to know the correct Gene

[Lizardlicks]

Here is the reason you are getting accusations of stealing/buying a stolen animal. JLC said:

SO much work and money goes into breeding ball pythons and making a business of selling them that the people doing it MUST have, at the very least, a very decent idea of what genes they're working with and what those genetic combos look like. Even someone not into breeding, but just buying and selling for a profit would have to know what they're buying in order to know how to make a decent profit.

A guy with that many high-dollar morphs and no idea what they are?? Screams stolen snakes to me.

To which you replied:

hehehe correct but now i buy it and she is in my home with my collection i want to know what her gene

Indicating that not only is the snake stolen, you are totally aware of it and gloating about it. Maybe you misinterpreted due to a language barrier, but in the future, please DO NOT purchase a snake from a person who can't tell you the morphs themselves. If they didn't produce the snake, or are unable to tell you who did, they are bad news and shouldn't get any of your money.

[h00blah]

It's clear that english is not this person's first language. Anyone who has had experience trying to communicate with someone from a different culture and language should know how there can be quite a bit of misunderstanding and awkward (sometimes funny) conversations.

If I were buying ball python morphs to breed, I would definitely care to know what the morph is I'm buying. However, if I were buying ball pythons simply because I want a really cool looking pet ball python that doesn't look like the average ball python, I wouldn't care what the morph is. As long as it's health, cool looking (to me), shows no signs of neglect or abuse, AND I trust the seller, I'd probably buy it.

Heck, I adopted a cool looking cornsnake and I still don't know what morph it is.. I think it was a butter??

TLDR:
1 - refine your questions and try harder to understand the OP, as english does not appear to be his first language.
2 - mrballpythons - if you're looking for ball python morphs, buy from a breeder, not the person who is showing you these snakes . for your own good!

[Zincubus]

It's clear that english is not this person's first language. Anyone who has had experience trying to communicate with someone from a different culture and language should know how there can be quite a bit of misunderstanding and awkward (sometimes funny) conversations.

If I were buying ball python morphs to breed, I would definitely care to know what the morph is I'm buying. However, if I were buying ball pythons simply because I want a really cool looking pet ball python that doesn't look like the average ball python, I wouldn't care what the morph is. As long as it's health, cool looking (to me), shows no signs of neglect or abuse, AND I trust the seller, I'd probably buy it.

Heck, I adopted a cool looking cornsnake and I still don't know what morph it is.. I think it was a butter??

TLDR:
1 - refine your questions and try harder to understand the OP, as english does not appear to be his first language.
2 - mrballpythons - if you're looking for ball python morphs, buy from a breeder, not the person who is showing you these snakes . for your own good!

I got the impression that the guy had bought loads of Royals/ Balls , all unknown morphs , is that not the case ?

[Lizardlicks]

I got the impression that the guy had bought loads of Royals/ Balls , all unknown morphs , is that not the case ?

I don't know if he bought all of them, but he did have a couple posts with multiple pictures of snakes asking, "what's this one? How about these?" claiming the seller wasn't able to give him any info on the genetics of ANY of the snakes, which at the very least makes the seller highly suspicious and bad news.

[supamyk]

Listen up, those of you who are buying this b/s that English isn't is first language....come on! Hes got you all fooled! He knows damn well how to speak just fine. He is using the "language barrier" as an excuse to get you guys to keep talking to him and to answer his questions about his stolen snakes. Dont be fooled anymore!

[bimmer28]

Listen up, those of you who are buying this b/s that English isn't is first language....come on! Hes got you all fooled! He knows damn well how to speak just fine. He is using the "language barrier" as an excuse to get you guys to keep talking to him and to answer his questions about his stolen snakes. Dont be fooled anymore!

to the people accusing this guy of deliberately using poor grammar/bad English as a rouse to mascaraed his operation as stolen snake acquirer yall are nuts.

If you go back to his older posts http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...le-Bee-Feeding

where he is not talking about unknown morphs but about feeding issues. you can clearly see his english is still horrible. this tells me multiple things.

1. his english is bad and not likely his native tongue. he has multiple misspellings that are sounded out phonetically but not spelled correctly. simple ones that 4 year olds know such as sayd and hamester (said hamster). look at the way he structures his sentences.

2. A thief would make a throwaway account not use an account. if this was done maliciously

I think he either bought several snakes from someone on CL whom may or may not of stolen them, maybe they inherited them? people die all the time lol who knows. there clearly isnt enough evidence to accuse the guy of faking his bad english or being a thief. take a few minutes and research i was able to pull up his instagram and other accounts linked to him easily and could tell he wasnt malicious

[JLC]

I think the OP has given up on this thread.

I'd like to clarify a couple things, for those still interested enough to follow this. First, I did not accuse him of stealing snakes or even mean to imply that he might have. My original thought was that the SELLER of the animals had very likely stolen them or gotten them through some other illicit means, for reasons that have already been pointed out. When the OP replied with an affirmative answer and a laugh, that's when I thought something was wrong on that side of the table as well. Maybe cultural/language barriers muddied the waters and maybe I moved to a wrong conclusion.

As for the legitimacy of the language barrier, I do think it's legit. The OP is from another country, and probably the only member we've ever had from that country. Certainly the only one I'm aware of. I won't say where because the OP has never said and for whatever reasons, may not want it known. But he's definitely not in the US and not buying anything off of Craigslist. I'd be surprised if they even have anything remotely like CL where he's from.

[PitOnTheProwl]

As for the legitimacy of the language barrier, I do think it's legit. The OP is from another country, and probably the only member we've ever had from that country. Certainly the only one I'm aware of. I won't say where because the OP has never said and for whatever reasons, may not want it known. But he's definitely not in the US and not buying anything off of Craigslist. I'd be surprised if they even have anything remotely like CL where he's from.

Some people forget or don't know what we can see.