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    Re: What is the most humane way to "brain" a rat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Alan View Post
    Please read the rest of the sentence for instances in which this method is considered acceptable. Our feeder animals are not in a perpetual neonatal state.
    You forgot this part :

    Manually applied blunt force trauma to the head has been used primarily to euthanize small laboratory animals with thin craniums.334,340,341 It has also been ap:cens0r:plied for euthanasia of young piglets.

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    Young piglets are bigger than anything I've fed.

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    Re: What is the most humane way to "brain" a rat?

    The most important part of this discussion (IMO):
    Euthanasia must be evaluated in terms of ... the skill of those performing it...
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    Read it again, and maybe 1 more time. Blunt force trauma to the HEAD is an acceptable means of euthanasia. This is a far cry from putting a rodent in a satchel and bouncing it around searching for that killing blow.

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    I agree that is not a correct way. I hold them by the tail and deliver 1 blow to them. Instant. Or if it's too small or big to properly do the tail method. I turn and pull on their heads. Same as a chicken. One quick precise motion.

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    I've seen blunt force to the head recommended as a euthanasia method for garters by several very experienced keepers (since they're native you see a lot more people who have terribly injured ones that they've found in roads or half-eaten by cats). Don't know how well that transfers to mammals, but it seems like the same basic principle.
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    Re: What is the most humane way to "brain" a rat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Alan View Post
    The most important part of this discussion (IMO):
    I couldn't have said it better. You can gas properly or break necks properly. We are all arguing the polar ends of each side. What has to be heard though is there is proper ways to do both. People should not get flack for choosing their method.


    If you truly care about animal welfare you would raise your own animals or know the farmer who raised them. If you have ever bought food from a grocery store you can never ever discuss animal ethics to me. Ever. Eat anywhere but your house? That chicken cow pig or turkey was raised in a 1x1 or 3x3 it's whole life. Forced food and had blisters all over it. Do you drink store bought milk? The blood and puss from those poor cows udders is bleached out and homogenized. Because those poor babies are hooked up to vacuum pumps that milk them dry to the point of death. I raise and grow all my own food. I raise organic mice and rats. Yes. My rats and mice eat better than most humans. Every one of my animals is raised and slaughtered humanely. Take care of something ever day for a year then kill it. Tell me you wouldn't want it to be done as fast and with as least pain as possible. If it was acceptable to gas animals we would have gas houses for animal production. Not slaughter houses. Be real. Think. If we are getting into an ethics discussion rather than a question about how to properly kill mice without co2 then let's do that dance. But.

    OP wanted the proper way to kill mice without c02. He asked me in PM because he didn't want to get ridiculed more. Grow up people.
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    Deep sea fishing catch an eel to the point of inability to retrieve the hook. Bash it's head with a baseball bat. It's quick and painless for the eel and it won't live a year in agony then die. Every fishing boat has a bat on it.

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    Re: What is the most humane way to "brain" a rat?

    Saturday night is feeding night. While y'all are arguing about what's humane I'm watching my snakes either eat as nature intended for those that are not YET eating f/t. Or eating f/t that were despatched correctly and professionally by the breeder who is properly trained to humanly kill them. IMO unless you spend some time being taught the correct way to kill your feeders, by a vet or scientist!!!, then let the snake (who is far more educated to kill effectively then the average person) do it or change them to f/t. If they are heated properly and not a soaking wet mess with substrate stuck to them the snake will not know the difference between f/k and f/t.


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    I can tell when people cook with frozen veggies or meat. Can't you?

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