Ugh..help?

[Foolish1]

Barbaric? I run an organic farm. I love and care for every one of my animals. Snapping it's neck is the fastest way for it to not feel pain. Takes literally a half a second before it's stops sending electrical impulses. I would rather break the mouses neck quick than have it take a chunk out of a two thousand dollar snake. Barbaric! Haha. Send them off to the showers for gassing. That's humane right. Last time humans did that everyone was really happy. Please.

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Barbaric? I run an organic farm. I love and care for every one of my animals. Snapping it's neck is the fastest way for it to not feel pain. Takes literally a half a second before it's stops sending electrical impulses. I would rather break the mouses neck quick than have it take a chunk out of a two thousand dollar snake. Barbaric! Haha. Send them off to the showers for gassing. That's humane right. Last time humans did that everyone was really happy. Please.

[Foolish1]

Honestly blown away right now. There's proper protocol for humanely killing feeder mice? I understand not torturing them, but the amount of time they realize they have been picked up to the time they are unable to process thought or pain is within a second. Ever been chocked by someone trying to kill you? I have. It is very fun to say the least. Jokes. You literally gasp and fight for every last breath hoping it isn't your last. Hell when it's my turn to go, PLEASE break my neck. Don't let me suffer.

Edit. Spelt unable wrong.

[bcr229]

Are either of the breeders close enough that you could take the baby to them so they can feed it live and then convert it over to f/t for you?

Also, if you're on Facebook look for local reptile forums and see who is breeding their own feeders local to you, someone may have a few extra they could sell you.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

OKay, I have 2 hours off in the afternoon so I might go buy a live mouse. I sent pictures of the snake to my breeder (the more trusted one) and they said that Assist Feeding is an absolute last resort. They said that if she got down to somewhere in the range of 65 grams to try assist feeding.

I would not trust either breeder that would say if it gets down to x weight you need to assist....it's not about the weight it's about a overall condition of the animal.

At least he is right about one thing assisting is the VERY last resort, you do not assist an animal that knows how to eat you provide it with proper husbandry and the right food even if that means live.

BTW how is your husbandry?

[calmolly1]

According to the AVMA Co2 is considered the only humane way to euthanize. I tried it, I hated it. So I feed f/t if possible. I let the company supplying the rodents do the CO2. I can't break their necks either. That's just me.


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[Foolish1]

I guess life and death are hand in hand on the farm. I am not worried too much about it. To me is how fast they go. Gassing takes time. That's mean to me.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Honestly blown away right now. There's proper protocol for humanely killing feeder mice? I understand not torturing them, but the amount of time they realize they have been picked up to the time they are unable to process thought or pain is within a second. Ever been chocked by someone trying to kill you? I have. It is very fun to say the least. Jokes. You literally gasp and fight for every last breath hoping it isn't your last. Hell when it's my turn to go, PLEASE break my neck. Don't let me suffer.

Edit. Spelt unable wrong.

Be blown away all you want smashing an animal's head against a wall is inhuman.

You either let nature take it's course or you respect the prey and euthanize it humanely this means cervical dislocation (only people efficient at it should attempt it) and CO2.

[Foolish1]

Let nature take its course on captive born and raised animals. Okay hun. I don't want to derail this thread and I am not trying to offend. The English method of killing chickens is a quick neck break. Wonder why.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Let nature take its course on captive born and raised animals. Okay hun. I don't want to derail this thread and I am not trying to offend. The English method of killing chickens is a quick neck break. Wonder why.

Number 1 not your Hun number two read again, cervical dislocation is considered human not throwing an animal on a wall.

And than people wonder why people have such a negative view of snake keepers....could not possibly be because of people like you?

[Foolish1]

If c02 was humane. We would use it on death row inmates.

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One of the main objections to gas chambers in general is that the person being executed doesn't cooperate (which really shouldn't be a surprise). If the person being executed would breathe normally, or even close to it, the currently used methods are painless and humane. What happens instead is that the victim struggles painfully not to breathe and ends up thrashing around and gasping for breath. I've never watched a gas chamber execution (and have no desire to do so) but from what I've read they are quite gruesome to watch. It's definitely not a quick and painless death in practice.

Carbon monoxide was one of the gases used by the Nazis in WWII. It is currently used in some animal shelters, but there is a push by animal activists to ban gas chambers for animal euthanasia which is causing a decline in their use.

CO₂ ??? What inhumane idiot suggested that? Of course the animals go nuts. Their entire respiratory system is telling them that they are dying. They die frantic and in pain. CO is, as the OP suggest the humane gas. Or N₂. I can't help but wonder if somewhere down the line somebody with less than useful knowledge in physiology missed the significant distinction.

In all seriousness, I would be wanting a talk with the ethics committee overseeing the research.

There have been threads before on this, and generally N₂ seems about as humane as you could get. A gradual increase in concentration over time might avoid the worst issues. Given this is GQ I will grit my teeth and refrain from further comment on executions.

Pjen wrote: "The unspoken rule is that the person must be aware of what is happening and suffer enough to satisfy death penalty proponents, but not so much that it offends death penalty opponents."



This is me talking now. Again I don't wish to derail or offend. I love chemicals and physics and biology. C02 is cruel.