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    Re: Sorry to say

    Quote Originally Posted by SashasDad View Post
    Thank you for the advice but the route I took worked very well for the situation and animal in question.
    Not to pile on because that's not my intention, but it's too soon to tell if it worked. Your animal vomited yesterday. It was fed today. It's not necessarily going to exhibit signs of a problem 12 hours after being fed.

    I hope it works out for you, but don't be surprised if that mouse comes out the same way it went in in the next few days.
    Last edited by 200xth; 11-04-2014 at 09:01 PM.

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    Re: Sorry to say

    OK meant herp not hero

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    Re: Sorry to say

    I will keep that in mind thank you

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    Re: Sorry to say

    Quote Originally Posted by 200xth View Post
    Not to pile on because that's not my intention, but it's too soon to tell if it worked. Your animal vomited yesterday. It was fed today. It's not necessarily going to exhibit signs of a problem 12 hours after being fed.

    I hope it works out for you, but don't be surprised if that mouse comes out the same way it went in in the next few days.
    Actually I think it was two days ago? But either way yes, there's no way to know for at least a week whether or not the snake is fine.

    BTW if Sasha hasn't checked her PM's in the last day or so, there's one from me with a link to a vendor having a sale on the probiotic that was recommended.

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    Re: Sorry to say

    Tact isn't something that all people value the same.

    The advice you got first was the correct advice though. If the cycle of feeding and vomiting goes on it will kill the snake.

    But there will always be people willing to answer care questions for the sake of the snake if nothing else.

    Snake digestion is a lot more traumatic than mammals - it includes massive changes in the size of internal organs etc. If it happens again don't feed for two weeks and start after that with a small prey item to make the transition less stressful on the animals biology.
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    I read the entire thread in question and I think it was pretty easy on her. I have seen some threads really get harsh but that was not one. It seemed as everyone was trying to help even when frustrated that their advice was not being trusted. Where ever it was read that you could feed two days after a regurg should be banned from your computer. That kind of info is going to really bring harm to your snake.
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    Re: Sorry to say

    We are getting a probiotic already ordered. Thank you all for the advice. We are already feeding her small prey until we're comfortable that she can handle what she should have. I will say though in my wife's defense she got burned badly on the internet before for trying to stick up for young artists and having people tear them down it's made her very Leary of the internet. So thank you all again for the advice, will probably listen more here now than before but had to do my do diligence and went with what I thought was best for the situation. So thank you again happy to be a new herp!!

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    Re: Sorry to say

    To clarify we only feed one and are going to wait 2 weeks and then see were she's at.

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    Re: Sorry to say

    Quote Originally Posted by SashasDad View Post
    I'm sorry to say my wife has unsubscribed to this forum because of some rather nasty comments made on a post simply asking for advice. We always ask for advice from multiple sources and try to use what works best for the situation and individual animal in question. In this case we got some good advice from many people and our snake Sasha is doing much better now, though we are making some changes to where her hidey hole is. So thank you to the people who gave advice even if we didn't go that route it always helps to have multiple perspectives to decide what is best for an individual animal. I will still be on this forum and very excited to be part of the herp world.
    I'm intrigued by these allegations of nasty comments. I've re-read the thread, including my own comments and found little nastiness.

    As far as multiple perspectives regarding vomiting and snakes - there are none. You are talking to someone who openly espouses multiple perspectives. Unfortunately, there are some situations in which there are limited correct courses of action.

    Again, with vomiting, the only way to prevent further trauma to the gastrointestinal tract is to withhold food for two weeks. The probiotic supplements are an added precaution. The practice of feeding your animal smaller meals immediately after a vomiting episode is unwise.

    That second source of information obviously didn't relay to you that secondary vomiting episodes can happen four to five days after the second feeding attempt. Due to a depletion of acid, trauma to the gastrointestinal tract and other factors, digestion can be impaired and delayed, often resulting in a second vomiting episode.

    Or, the snake may not vomit at all, but impaired digestive function can result in malabsorption of prey items which can cause even more complications down the road. She may keep the next few prey items down, and you may have issues again in three months.

    The point is that your snake was not going to starve if you waited two weeks to feed it again. It does, however, stand a good chance of having more serious issues down the road if you continue to feed it. You have not given it time to recuperate from the trauma to the GI tract and you have not found out what the underlying issue is. As someone else stated, you also have not figured out what caused the vomiting, and are therefore guessing as to whether or not the causative factor has been addressed.

    There are solid established protocols for dealing with vomiting in snakes. You have chosen to ignore them and follow contradictory and frankly, horrible advice. As I stated in the other thread, you can usually opinion shop once. If you have a problem again, many people may not bother to waste their time assisting you.
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    I've read the first vomit thread and now this one...

    I'm still really interested, so that I'll never rely on it, and because the question has yet to be answered...


    Where did you get the recomendation to feed immediately following a regurg?

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