Question about Spider Ball Pythons

[Western hognose]

Yeah, didn't think so.

[jldetres]

To clear things up, not all lines of spiders have wooble. Most do but not all. My spider line does not wooble.

[Dave Green]

To clear things up, not all lines of spiders have wooble. Most do but not all. My spider line does not wooble.

All spiders are from the same line.

[kitn]

I have a spider who just turned a year, he was my first morph and I told the breeder that and he didn't warn me about the wobble. When I tried looking up the weird behavior I was in tears because I though he was going to die. But it turns out he just has an extreme wobble problem. I love him to death and he's the sweetest thing. He does need some assistance feeding sometimes but I've been told that handling them and keeping them active will help them learn to compensate for the movements. It has helped with mine a bit. I was a bit worried about breeding him but I guess I'll never know if he can do if unless I try.

[kitn]

Lol that list is helpful. My butter has oddly huge eyes. That's usually not a problem, it's just a visual abnormality right?

[CryHavoc17]

To clear things up, not all lines of spiders have wooble. Most do but not all. My spider line does not wooble.

This is non sense. There is no such thing as a "line" without the wobble. It cannot be selectively bred out.

This is because the mechanism during embryonic development that inhibits the distribution of pigment (causing the spider pattern) is disrupted or blocked through the nervous system in the spinal cord. I dont really have the techincal expertise to explain it well, but ive found some very informative scientific resources online on the subject.

The point being, a mutated gene that reduces pattern by blocking neurological processes during development will always have other neurological side effects. You cant separate the two out, because they are both caused by the same mutated gene having the same effect during development.

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[zachbinger]

Just got my new spider delivered figured a pic before some qt time.

[kitn]

[zachbinger]

Since I'm looking into breeding bp, I've been looking around at different morphs to start off with.
Ive noticed that I loved everything with spider in it. But I was concerned about their "neurological problems". Does everything that has the spider gene in it have issues(bumble bees, lesser bees, spinners,ect), or is it just the "regular spider" morph?

Any help appreciated.

riley

Just added my second spider complex ball to my collection a male mojo spider

[Dakota11]

I have an adult spider and a bee. I've yet to see any signs of my spider wobbling but as for the bee, she wobbles during feeding, change of environment etc. now when it comes to feeding the bee corkscrews and wobbles big time. Having said that she is one of the best feeders that I own, never misses a meal. I would not feed her live or any that wobble because they seem to have very bad judgement in the strike but aside from that I find them the most unique type of snake and certainly a conversation piece when others see her for the first time during a wobbling session.