Pastels?

[Pythonfriend]

That pastel gene sure makes her so worthless and crappy. No one wants that commoner gene! Gross!




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"worthless" and "crappy".... when did i ever say something like that?

it surely looks nice, and surely would look much nicer with a different gene instead of pastel in it.

its about quality. a BMW is a nice car. but a Ferrari or a Rolls Royce is arguably even nicer. a BMW is cheaper. Now the difference is that cars do not sexually reproduce, but BPs do, and soon other better codominant morphs will be just as easy to get as pastels. the price difference is not here to stay, it will go away.

some of you just like to throw stuff around like "That pastel gene sure makes her so worthless and crappy", because you know i never said anything like that, but by implying that i did, you cause me to defend myself. Thats typical bullying behavior. its not friendly and not productive, and it does nothing to contribute to the discussion. its just some of you making clear that you dont like me, and congratulating each other for twisting around what im actually saying. i keep playing because you only reveal your own character flaws this way. it doesnt bother me, but the information it reveals about how different forum members prioritize different things is quite interesting.

Pastels would not have such a bad rap with a lot of people if it was not for a bunch of people producing them for quantity and throwing the concept of quality out the window. I have see 400 gram pastels that were so faded and brown that they looked normal, I have also seen 1600+ gram pastels that still looked bright yellow and had high blushing.

The problem is, as been mentioned in this thread already, they are a cheap morph...aka a morph most new breeders can easily get. Who is statistically more likely to throw lower quality animals together just to get some eggs?...newer breeders. They keep the one nice baby (out of the 6 or so that hatch) and sell the rest to other new breeders. Now you have 5 more people breeding a low end pet only quality snake.

In all honesty from the right line and from the right breeder I would still pay $200 or more for the right pastel female. That being said most pastels out their on the general market are worth no more than a normal.

now THAT is a really good post. on topic, and good points are being made. some selectively line-bred pastels are really nice.

the issue i see: what if you take a really nice pastel, and breed it to a nice black pastel (which has not been selectively bred for brightness, but for other traits), and then you breed the resulting pewter to a yellowbelly (which also has not been selectively bred for brightness), and then you get a pastel in that pewter to YB clutch. will it still be as nice? or will it look more like the typical average pastel after the line has been mixed with other stuff?

when i look at things like lemon pastel or citrus pastel or blonde pastel, i wonder if its really a different gene that will hold up when there are a few generations of recombination, or if you can unintentionally revert them back to average pastels when, for example, working with darker morphs.