Killer Bee Fire? Ripped Off?

[Pythonfriend]

im not sure if you can name the company here. also it seems a bit too soon for that.

i would also give them the benefit of the doubt, mistakes like this can happen, especially with multiple helpers/employees and plenty of genetically diverse clutches to identify, sex, sort, house, feed, and sell.

contact them with pictures of the snake, linking this thread for them may also help them to understand. honestly, personally, i think i would be satisfied with a partial refund of somewhere between 100 or 200 dollars and would keep it. as the number of genes goes up, i see pastel contributing more and more to washing out or fading out the pattern, i like things to stay crisp, and if you pair this to lets say a lesser, an enchi and a black pastel female, i think its nice to also have a chance of getting the combos without pastel.

if its a reputable breeder, and when you can get him to understand the problem at hand, you should get options and should be able to negotiate something that is acceptable.

[Adroit]

I also want to say, for the record, I don't think that they did this on purpose. I think he mixed up what snake he had, or the genes of this snake by mistake. Just looking for advice with what to do with the situation as I am unexperienced compared to you all! Thank you so much for your help. Ill update with what happens.

[bcr229]

Unless my prices are off lately, I'd say 500 is fair for a fire bee. Would've been a steal for a Killer Fire Bee. As others have suggested, this is a Fire Bee.

I'm going to agree, and after looking at the examples of each morph on WoBP I'm also going with fire bee and not killer fire bee for your guy. I'd expect to pay a lot more than $500 for a four-gene male.

[MrLang]

It definitely has fire pastel and spider. I don't think it's a super - the black is just too black. I disagree with the comment about it being low quality - I think that is quite a nice one, which could easily contribute to a false ID. The price seems pretty good for the 3 gene. I would probably contact the seller back and tell them the blacks are too dark and head markings too pronounced to be a killer and there is an overwhelming consensus in the community supporting that. See what they say - maybe they will over you 50 or 100 bucks back.

You have not been ripped off even if they decline, but it would be good to let us know the name of a reputable breeder who would mis-ID like this. If they're not 100% sure they should have told you it's a fire bee possible killer and that if it's a killer you're getting a wicked deal.

[j4mbo]

I'm a newbie here, and while I certainly can understand the frustration in being sold something that isn't what it claims to be, i'm still jealous. That is a gorgeous snake!

[Adroit]

You have not been ripped off even if they decline, but it would be good to let us know the name of a reputable breeder who would mis-ID like this. If they're not 100% sure they should have told you it's a fire bee possible killer and that if it's a killer you're getting a wicked deal.

I'm waiting to hear back. I called them and they said that just because it doesn't look like it doesn't mean it isn't. They said the fire brings the black out and makes it darker, for example the SuperFly. They said they could possibly work something out if he bred out to be not the killerbee fire. So I emailed them with a link to the forum so they could see the snake. I don't want to say who it is until it's all said and done. They could have easily said the wrong thing, or something got mislabeled who knows.

[Pythonfriend]

umm, well, their arguments dont convince me. when i see the superfly, i see blushing to the point of getting whites within the black parts of the pattern and also on top of the head. there seems to be some confusion on their side.

[h00blah]

It's definitely a nice Fire Bee, I wouldn't want to give him up! I think $500 is a GOOD price for the 3-gene snake. You still got a good deal for a really nice looking male . Honestly, I don't see a problem other than the fact that it was mislabeled, perhaps by accident.

I'd probably let it go.. As a baby, it was probably nice enough to be mistaken for a killer bee fire, so that's what he listed it as. Some breeders will round UP, and some will round DOWN .

[alan1]

Only ONE Pastel gene in there, so it's another vote for FireBee

[Ladybugzcrunch]

Fire bee but not ripped off by any means. I think you got a good deal, he is pretty. If you bred him and ended up with all pastel morphs time after time I would be surprised. However, you would have gotten the deal of a century at $500 as well!