Another pitbull kills, this time a little girl

[omnibus2]

I was going to comment on this, but I really don't have time to right now, so I'll just say the ignorance is amazing.

Given your username and your snarky ad hominem response, I hope you are not calling me ignorant.

I'm sorry but to complain about legislation against snakes, but promote legislation against dog breeds is ignorant. The government shouldn't have the right to tell me what pet I can/cannot own as long as I can provide the proper requirements to take care of said animal. Outlawing dog breeds is just like outlawing Burms, you are punishing the animals because of the ignorance of owners.

Why? Because species of harmless snakes are regulated, whereas dangerous dog breeds are not?

FYI I am in favor of regulations and requirements for both big dogs and big snakes. I agree with the sentiment that the government shouldn't have the right to tell you what pets you can and cannot keep-unfortunately there are boatloads of restricted animals such as asian arowanas, freshwater stingrays, piranhas, ferrets, cat hybrids, lions, tigers, etc.

If there are no regulations, ignorant people buy burmese pythons and pitbulls, don't care for them, and they end up harming people and the whole community gets a bad rap. If we have some sort of competency test/license, then hopefully only qualified people will care for these animals.

Outlawing dog breeds is just like outlawing Burms, you are punishing the animals because of the ignorance of owners.

No, you are not punishing animals, you are simply outlawing their being kept as pets. You are punishing good owners because of the ignorance of bad owners.

Let me ask you, do you think there should be laws on keeping tigers? Or Rhinos?

[Gio]

I can't go through all of the comments but be very careful how you place blame O/P. I've competed with protection trained pit bulls and presa canarios for 14 years. Simple way to look at this is to Blame the Deed Not the Breed. These are excellent dogs I have owned 2 of each with young kids. The ONLY dog to ever bite one of my kids was a friend's dachshund.

In any effort (not specifically you) to focus things like this away from snakes by bringing up another animal, really comes right back around. Everybody knows the media is 100% happy to jump on pit bulls just like snakes. If you are old enough to remember the kids show "Our Gang" or "Little Rascals" you'd know that Pete the Pup was the 1st dual registered Amstaff AKC / Pit Bull UKC. At the time they were considered the ultimate kid's dog. Then people that shouldn't own pit bulls, let alone any animal got into them.

We can do this with a lot of animals. Shifting from one to the next. Sadly when it comes time for YOUR (any of our) favorite animals, once the hype hits and the media decides to jump in we can add another animal to the "ban list".

As snake owners we are a small group in the big picture. Nobody cares about us, but wait until it comes their way. I've been on the news defending pit bulls, presa canarios and protection dog training in the past.

The media will leave out many facts. Do you believe the WHOLE story?

99% of all dog issues can be solved by people ALL people with dogs obeying the leash laws. The other percent can be solved by responsible ownership.

Unfortunately people will find a way to screw things up.

Frankly, I'm a little surprised I'd find something like this on a snake board since most of us are concerned about legislation and bad press.



This dog here is a presa canario male. He operates perfectly on and off leash and can be re-called from a bite. He can also be sent to bite.

When I walk this dog in my neighborhood (a nice suburb) it's always the golden retrievers and poodles that are lunging and barking. Our presa and pit bull just walk. Not because they are better than the other dogs, but because we actually are responsible enough to train our animals.

How many times have you heard boa constrictor attack and its actually a burmese and not an attack but a feeding mistake? The media does not care.

See what I'm getting at? Once people decide to start picking specific animals to ban, it's only a matter of time before somebody narrows the sights and picks YOUR favorite animal.

[jclaiborne]

I read your response of "harmless snake and dangerous dog" and stopped yes that statement is ignorant and I am done with this thread. You are entitled to you opinion, but don't get upset when people call you out on bs remarks like that.

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[omnibus2]

I can't go through all of the comments but be very careful how you place blame O/P. I've competed with protection trained pit bulls and presa canarios for 14 years. Simple way to look at this is to Blame the Deed Not the Breed. These are excellent dogs I have owned 2 of each with young kids. The ONLY dog to ever bite one of my kids was a friend's dachshund.

In any effort (not specifically you) to focus things like this away from snakes by bringing up another animal, really comes right back around. Everybody knows the media is 100% happy to jump on pit bulls just like snakes. If you are old enough to remember the kids show "Our Gang" or "Little Rascals" you'd know that Pete the Pup was the 1st dual registered Amstaff AKC / Pit Bull UKC. At the time they were considered the ultimate kid's dog. Then people that shouldn't own pit bulls, let alone any animal got into them.

We can do this with a lot of animals. Shifting from one to the next. Sadly when it comes time for YOUR (any of our) favorite animals, once the hype hits and the media decides to jump in we can add another animal to the "ban list".

As snake owners we are a small group in the big picture. Nobody cares about us, but wait until it comes their way. I've been on the news defending pit bulls, presa canarios and protection dog training in the past.

The media will leave out many facts. Do you believe the WHOLE story?

99% of all dog issues can be solved by people ALL people with dogs obeying the leash laws. The other percent can be solved by responsible ownership.

Unfortunately people will find a way to screw things up.

Frankly, I'm a little surprised I'd find something like this on a snake board since most of us are concerned about legislation and bad press.

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This dog here is a presa canario male. He operates perfectly on and off leash and can be re-called from a bite. He can also be sent to bite.

When I walk this dog in my neighborhood (a nice suburb) it's always the golden retrievers and poodles that are lunging and barking. Our presa and pit bull just walk. Not because they are better than the other dogs, but because we actually are responsible enough to train our animals.

How many times have you heard boa constrictor attack and it actually a burmese and not an attack but a feeding mistake?

See what I'm getting at? Once people decide to start picking specific animals to ban, it's only a matter of time before somebody narrows the sights and picks YOUR favorite animal.

Hey, thanks for your well written and courteous response. Let me start off by telling you that I have worked with pitbulls and have never had a problem with them. It doesn't matter how many times you can say "My pitbull is so nice and caring", the bottom line is that there are pitbulls that kill people.

They are dangerous animals though, just like venomous snakes. But how often do you hear about somebody's pet venomous snake biting and killing another innocent person? Pretty much never. Why? Because most of them require permits and you have to go through a set of laws in order to keep one. I am merely suggesting that pitbull owners should go through the same hoops, not that they should be banned. I hate pets getting banned.

How many times have you heard boa constrictor attack and it actually a burmese and not an attack but a feeding mistake?

Not many times compared to pitbull attacks. If a snake is actually dangerous to local human beings, then there should be regulations that allow only knowledgeable people to keep them, not any old joe shmoe who ruins it for everybody else.

My whole reason was for pointing out the hypocrisy of people who always defend the dogs when they kill people-yet simultaneously demonize snakes when the same thing happens.

And Gio and others, not once did I say that I wanted to ban pitbulls.

I read your response of "harmless snake and dangerous dog" and stopped yes that statement is ignorant and I am done with this thread. You are entitled to you opinion, but don't get upset when people call you out on bs remarks like that.

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LOL BS remark? Please tell me how it was a "bs remark". It was a perfectly legitimate statement. If you're going to do nothing but insult my posts and not argue why then fine. Leave.

[Gio]

[QUOTE=omnibus2;2234950]Hey, thanks for your well written and courteous response. Let me start off by telling you that I have worked with pitbulls and have never had a problem with them. It doesn't matter how many times you can say "My pitbull is so nice and caring", the bottom line is that there are pitbulls that kill people.

They are dangerous animals though, just like venomous snakes. But how often do you hear about somebody's pet venomous snake biting and killing another innocent person? Pretty much never. Why? Because most of them require permits and you have to go through a set of laws in order to keep one. I am merely suggesting that pitbull owners should go through the same hoops, not that they should be banned. I hate pets getting banned. """"






The problem is they are NOT dangerous animals but because every story about them gets slanted,,, people actually believe they are.

The leader on the dog bite list is not the pit bull.

Far more people kill other people than dogs. Guns in the hands of idiots, drunks behind the wheel, horse riding accidents, smoking, I could go all day here.

Why on earth should I or anybody else who is responsible enough to own a dog have to be regulated, hit with more insurance, and forced to say MY dog is dangerous? I've done nothing wrong and neither have the dogs I've owned or own.

That report left out so much it's unbelievable. Dog behavior is quite complex and rule #1 is NEVER leave a small child unattended with ANY dog.

Pit bulls are just dogs. They don't have a "locking jaw", they aren't able to fly or anything else much different than other dogs, they actually were first bred to NOT in any way be aggressive toward people.

I understand what point you were trying to make, but it comes at the expense of another animal.

Big government is out of control and sometimes stupid people do stupid things. We can't babysit everybody by making rules each time something goes wrong.

Eventually there will be nothing left.

I also respect the way you replied to me, so thank you for that.

[Bluebonnet Herp]

I know, for one thing, a majority of pit bull attacks that are reported are actually not pit bulls at all. It's either a mutt or a dog that isn't a pit bull at all, most notably because police officers are not certified dog breed experts. (Or anywhere near being one.) The term 'pit bulls' is essentially thrown around as 'cover-all' for just saying killer dog.

[omnibus2]

The problem is they are NOT dangerous animals but because every story about them gets slanted,,, people actually believe they are.

The leader on the dog bite list is not the pit bull.

Far more people kill other people than dogs. Guns in the hands of idiots, drunks behind the wheel, horse riding accidents, smoking, I could go all day here.

Why on earth should I or anybody else who is responsible enough to own a dog have to be regulated, hit with more insurance, and forced to say MY dog is dangerous? I've done nothing wrong and neither have the dogs I've owned or own.

That report left out so much it's unbelievable. Dog behavior is quite complex and rule #1 is NEVER leave a small child unattended with ANY dog.

Pit bulls are just dogs. They don't have a "locking jaw", they aren't able to fly or anything else much different than other dogs, they actually were first bred to NOT in any way be aggressive toward people.

I understand what point you were trying to make, but it comes at the expense of another animal.

But they are dangerous animals. It scares me how some people-not necessarily you-refuse to accept this.
For example, I accept that reticulated pythons are dangerous animals. I am not stupid, nor am I ignorant. I listen to the facts and the biology. I also know that pitbulls are dangerous. This doesn't mean you can't love your python or pitbull! It just means that just like any potentially dangerous animal, there need to be regulations-perhaps a license and a competency test.

Don't you agree with that? That way we can prevent idiots from buying and mishandling pitbulls and pythons-because if they do, things like this happen and you get a bad rap! And that leads to a full ban! Just like tigers and lions-should everyone and anyone be able to buy a lion, a tiger, or even, a gabon viper? No, that's silly. Only people who prove they are able to handle these animals should.

Big government is out of control and sometimes stupid people do stupid things. We can't babysit everybody by making rules each time something goes wrong.

Eventually there will be nothing left.

I also respect the way you replied to me, so thank you for that.

I agree with you very much here. I am tired of the babying and micromanagement that our government does.

First though your comparison to humans being dangerous is not a right one. Yes of course humans are more dangerous but that is irrelevant-it still stands that pitbulls are dangerous and have killed many people.

Pet owners all over the world are facing bans on their favorite pets-ferrets, piranhas, arowanas, snakes, lizards, dogs! I think it's ridiculous. But I also am a man who listens to logic and reason-I understand that there have been multiple attacks by pitbulls on people and once again, they should be regulated but not necessarily banned. What's worse is reptile and fish owners face worse discrimination (bills such as HR669) simply because of the fact that their pets are not as "cute" and people who own reptiles/fish are seen as "creeps" or "weirdos".

It makes me happy to see people on this forum defending their right to care for their pets. Unfortunately the reality that you will find is that most pitbull extremists (not you guys) are just as supportive as anyone else to ban snakes. They only care about their own dogs and they will turn the blind cheek when it comes to reptile owners. They are hypocrites and will not hesitate to support a ban on any reptile or fish-these are people who will not listen to reason and will always support their dogs no matter what they do-even if it was the killing of an innocent child. It comforts me that people on this forum do not fall into the spectrum of such extremists.

I know, for one thing, a majority of pit bull attacks that are reported are actually not pit bulls at all. It's either a mutt or a dog that isn't a pit bull at all, most notably because police officers are not certified dog breed experts. (Or anywhere near being one.) The term 'pit bulls' is essentially thrown around as 'cover-all' for just saying killer dog.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention as it is a valid point. Then, perhaps, whichever dog encompasses the "pitbull" should be regulated-whichever mix of breeds these are, that have been recorded attacking people, should be regulated.

[Gio]

They are unbeatable dogs IMO!

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R. I. P. sweet girl,,,

[PitOnTheProwl]

It's just like when people say a "20 foot python" which probably was more like 11 feet. Maybe the pitbull was 130 lbs, maybe it wasn't. But that's irrelevant. The fact is that it killed an innocent girl unprovoked. I agree that there are too many irresponsible pit bull owners. There need to be laws and regulations. Why is it that harmless snakes face bans all over the US, but there are so few laws for dangerous breeds of dogs?

There are plenty of cities that infringe on my rights to allow you yours.
You cannot pick what you want regulated and then choose not to regulate another part of it.
Before this gets sent to QT for people stirring the pot, let me ask you this:
Can you prove to me it was a true APBT?

130#, I call media bull!! The term pitbull is just plain money for the media and the sheep that follow.

[aahmn]

I would like to see a picture of the dog in question. A 130# pit bull sounds a little ridiculous. I agree that it's likely a mix or another breed.