Not thrilled with LLL Reptile.

[Skiploder]

I don't understand why this thread got so out of hand.

Mike's only intention was to give a review of his purchase and experience. He has already stated that he understands that he won't be getting a refund, which is the only compensation he will accept. Nor does he want a replacement from LLL. I personally think he should get a full refund, but since LLL won't refund him, what else is he suppose to do? I don't blame him for not wanting a replacement animal from their stock. I wouldn't want another animal from them based on that experience and the potential factor of that replacement is carrying the same "something" that could potentially leads to a similar fate of the original king.

If LLL will not refund, but only replace the animal. Then I suggest LLL to purchase Mike a replacement king of his choice and equal value from a seller of his choice.
While I understand why they do it, the 24hr policy is still ridiculous imo.

Read the thread carefully Nikki. It's pretty obvious what happened here.

[Kodieh]

Read the thread carefully Nikki. It's pretty obvious what happened here.

If obvious, you mean a specific member blew it out of proportion I'd be inclined to agree.

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[OhhWatALoser]

I read Mike's experience when he first posted, which I have heard and read similar stories. Got curious today when I saw it had many replies tho.

I was made aware of this thread this morning, and as I know Mike is a regular poster who does know his stuff when it comes to ball pythons, I'd actually really like to talk to Mike himself more about his setup and see if we can figure out what happened. Being great at caring for ball pythons doesn't necessarily mean it's an easy transition over to kingsnakes, and sometimes being so well versed in a single species can inadvertently make it more difficult to try new ones.

This irks me, so we are calling Mike's concern for his collection an accusation, but that quote is not? Also, the attempt to bring the issue into private, when it already was previously....

Sorry Mike, your intentions were clear and you didn't need that experience or the experience in this thread. Good luck sir.

[satomi325]

Read the thread carefully Nikki. It's pretty obvious what happened here.

I know what happened. I thought both parties' intentions and decisions were clear. I suppose I should have worded it, "I don't understand why this thread needed to get so out of hand."
Because it really didn't. Just nit picking at Mike's specific use of words were misinterpreted, in my opinion. And it was just unnecessary....

[Skiploder]

It got out of hand because people lip off on forums in a manner they wouldn't in person. Cue some tough guy bragging about how tough he'd be to my face right.....about.....now....

Yawn.

You and I are right in the thick if things advising people to get necropsies in situations like this. Rob's advice was valid and he has every right to argue why. Mike has every right to explain why he declined.

Now if the discussion had stayed between those two and those two had worked it out, I guarantee this thread would not have been locked.

Like it or not, when you start a thread, you don't own it and you can't dictate where it goes. An unexplained death carries a high risk for any collection. As a community we push people to get necropsies done as well as recommending people take their animals to qualified vets when their animals get sick. There are some on this community who also harshly judge those who can't afford the care....and then get thanks and approval from a lot of members for doing it.

So is the inference here is that people are butt hurt because Rob pushed Mike on the necropsy thing? Well, whatever. In the meantime LLL sold your friend a sick snake. Direct the angst towards them, not the guy who is strongly advocating an excellent course of action.